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04-20-2012, 04:09 PM
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... This thread is very painful. Someone even implied they want to keep McI over Girardi.
I'm saying trading an established Girardi, for TOP TOP TOP dollar, makes sense.
That is more so than our other established D because they are lefty.

In the short term it appears illogical to move your one righty rock at D. But McIlrath (who can't be traded for top dollar as an unknown and is likely not worth seriously considering to trade at all until he has shown some production and commensurate trade value) is a righty, and he will be here next year.

After that is the guy we talk about signing Schultz; I think he is also a righty, so a return on Girardi helps make a spot and increases chances we get him.

So also are the next top guys in our system, Noreau and Ceresniak, also righty, if I remember. Granted they are a couple of years away. But the point is we have one righty replacement for Girardi now, and something in sight.

We have nothing if our lefties go down, except maybe Pashnin, and I have to double check that...

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04-20-2012, 04:21 PM
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No, I would keep Kreider. He has already been developed for 3 years since his draft year. He is just about primed and ready for the NHL. A 6'2 225 pound player who has great wheels who has had success at every level he played do not grow on trees
While I enjoy as much as the next guy, let's take a calm moment here.
Let us consider.
Snipers = strength which can be developed to ample degree, usually
PLUS hand to eye coordination which can be improved to limited degree, usually

(for example, most people can improve ability to hit a baseball; to hit baseball like Babe Ruth/Hank Aaron requires phenomenal hand-eye +).

Speed = a good skating coach may be able to slightly improve technique. Maybe.
Natural speed = a talent that can't be taught.

Speed kills.
Plus, Kreider has now bulked up and is still extremely fast.

We have no idea on the upside of Kreider as to scoring touch --- sniper would be too much to hope for; but he does have good record so far as to improvement including as to scoring.

Yakupov = sniper we expect to do well here. But that is it. Nothing more, nothing less.

So given the totality of our circumstances, not to mention Oilers need for D, we should not be trading our best F prospect(s), but something they can use that we can live with.

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04-20-2012, 04:25 PM
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Staal + McD + '12 1st + '13 1st + Kreider + Dubi/Stepan/Arty might get it done though.
This is WAY CRAZY
the number seems to be: Staal (we prefer Girardi, they prefer Staal) + Dubi/Stepan.

That appears to be enough to get the 1st IF they decide to trade it.
They may prefer to keep on grounds of

Can't have too many snipers;
want a free peek and see if Yakupov is Stamkos-esque before moving him, if at all.

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04-20-2012, 04:30 PM
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But but but Kreider is the next Dave Keon...

If the Edm GM was that much of an idiot to accept that proposal, I would pay for Kreiders 1st class seat to Edmonton myself. Pay for his family to go as well.

You have heard it here.
I will repeat, and continue to put myself on the line:
"barring injury, Kreider will be the next Dave Keon"

These are two hugely gifted talents, specializing in different areas, and it's not so clear cut at this point who will wind up being the better one overall.

Yakupov is a sniper, but Kreider, IMO will makes those around him more productive.

Unless Yakupov is the second coming of Stamkos, which is not established, this is not so clear cut.

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04-20-2012, 04:34 PM
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Kreider will never be as good as Yakupov, Grigorenko, or Galchenyak. These 3 will most like be in the NHL within a year, while Kreider is in his 4th year of development. Remember, big players take like 3-5 years of NHL play to finally breakout if ever!!
Kreider has just finished College on an accelerated basis, no doubt, if I'm not mistaken.
Compared to typical guys who go college to farm to NHL, he's had less than a true 4 years as you suggest.

We will see...

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04-20-2012, 04:37 PM
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Let someone else have a turn there bernmeister.

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04-20-2012, 04:43 PM
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Let someone else have a turn there bernmeister.
just catching up, my friend

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Yakubov is not a sniper.

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04-22-2012, 02:17 PM
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Yakubov is not a sniper.
Please enlighten a little more.
I get it's not clear he's another Stamkos.

But not at all a sniper?
Lot of points/Gs for just a playmaker...

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04-25-2012, 12:21 PM
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The big board had thread about Malkin.... too much to hope for... he's not likely on the block, inference is Pens MIGHT not be able to keep big 3 if cap picture changes enough.

In such case, still expect J. Staal, with 1 yr left before UFA, not Malkin to be moved.
Think we should wait/hope for Jordan in free agency...

But if Malkin were moved... gear your engines.

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04-25-2012, 12:23 PM
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More realistically...

Hawks early exist MIGHT allow them to consider moving Sharp.
They would want serious overpayment, definitely.
We might consider nominal overpayment, maybe.

Is that possible?
What players/assets involved?

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04-25-2012, 01:32 PM
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Trading Krieder would be the worst possible move this franchise could make at this point.

He could very well be the left wing we need going forward. Its too early to say one way or another.

He is going nowhere.

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04-25-2012, 01:33 PM
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The big board had thread about Malkin.... too much to hope for... he's not likely on the block, inference is Pens MIGHT not be able to keep big 3 if cap picture changes enough.

In such case, still expect J. Staal, with 1 yr left before UFA, not Malkin to be moved.
Think we should wait/hope for Jordan in free agency...

But if Malkin were moved... gear your engines.
Not going to happen.

Pens aren't going to deal him to us. Staal that is.

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04-25-2012, 02:49 PM
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Poor Kreider. He plays 15 mins of NHL ice time and already he's being traded to Edmonton of all places.
Best response in the thread. AINEC.

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04-27-2012, 05:37 PM
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Not going to happen.

Pens aren't going to deal him to us. Staal that is.
And if they did we wouldn't want to pay the price.
Which is why I specified JStaal to us via free agency.

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Trading Krieder would be the worst possible move this franchise could make at this point.

He could very well be the left wing we need going forward. Its too early to say one way or another.

He is going nowhere.
We as fans have too still wait to see how he plays in the regular season however so far i am very impressed with Kreider so i totally agree.

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04-30-2012, 11:05 AM
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We as fans have too still wait to see how he plays in the regular season however so far i am very impressed with Kreider so i totally agree.
There is no need to wait.
Kreider has more value than in any ordinary trade scenario.

Main exception would be for uber elite (Stamkos, Malkin) which aint happening.
So happily, he ain't goin anywhere.

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05-13-2012, 01:54 AM
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Dubinsky and Anisimov

Okay, so I'll start off by saying I love Duby and I don't mind Artie, especially if he played the way he played tonight. Secondly, fantastic win and I love this team. However, I have a few suggestions on moves to make in the off-season that would make this team even better in my mind. First off is trading Brandon Dubinsky and Artem Anisimov to the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for Viktor Stalberg (21G, 20A, 3rd line winger with speed and size and +6 and +3 the past two years. Also he'd have one year on his contract with us making 875K=not much of a risk) and hopefully a 2nd round pick. Now you may not think that's far but you aren't going to get much for these two guys and Stalberg gives us a 3rd line winger with much needed scoring. Also this frees up about 6 million in cap space. Here's what the Rangers roster would look like with the moves I'd want to make and I think they could make after making this trade.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($9.000m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Chris Kelly ($2.500m) / Chris Kreider ($1.325m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Brandon Prust ($0.875m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michael Del Zotto ($3.500m)
Michael Sauer ($1.250m) / Tim Erixon ($1.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($0.875m)
BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,483,334; BONUSES: $2,100,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,816,666

What does everyone think

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Okay, so I'll start off by saying I love Duby and I don't mind Artie, especially if he played the way he played tonight. Secondly, fantastic win and I love this team. However, I have a few suggestions on moves to make in the off-season that would make this team even better in my mind. First off is trading Brandon Dubinsky and Artem Anisimov to the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for Viktor Stalberg (21G, 20A, 3rd line winger with speed and size and +6 and +3 the past two years. Also he'd have one year on his contract with us making 875K=not much of a risk) and hopefully a 2nd round pick. Now you may not think that's far but you aren't going to get much for these two guys and Stalberg gives us a 3rd line winger with much needed scoring. Also this frees up about 6 million in cap space. Here's what the Rangers roster would look like with the moves I'd want to make and I think they could make after making this trade.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($9.000m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Carl Hagelin ($0.875m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Ryan Callahan ($4.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Chris Kelly ($2.500m) / Chris Kreider ($1.325m)
Mike Rupp ($1.500m) / Brian Boyle ($1.700m) / Brandon Prust ($0.875m)
DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michael Del Zotto ($3.500m)
Michael Sauer ($1.250m) / Tim Erixon ($1.750m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m)
Martin Biron ($0.875m)
BUYOUTS
Chris Drury ($1.667m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,483,334; BONUSES: $2,100,000
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $1,816,666

What does everyone think
no ty.Dubi and Artie are both better then Stalberg.its complete overpayment on the Rangers part.
also,no way whoever signs Parise gives him 9 million per year.

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05-13-2012, 04:43 AM
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Yeah Parise def aint gettin 9

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i would pass. dubi and anisimov both have the game to put up 20 and 20 each (assuming they find a little consistency) and they are both very capable in their own zone.

no thanks.

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that third line looks miserable. no thanks.

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I don't think it would take both of them to get Stalberg if we really want him..

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Yeah, I would not touch this with a ten foot pole. The (debatable) upgrade from Dubinsky or Anisimov to Stalberg is absolutely not worth the price of also giving up the other one.

Our cap space is fine--the only way we need to move Dubinsky is if we bring in a bigger ticket player.

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We should worry about the offseason in the offseason. This team is farther than it's been in years, why can't people just enjoy the ride?

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