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04-26-2012, 11:16 AM
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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Alexander Semin ($7.500m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Lars Eller ($1.500m) / David Jones ($3.750m)
Travis Moen ($1.750m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($2.500m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
Ryan White ($0.650m) / Blake Geoffrion ($0.800m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($3.750m)
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($1.750m)
Raphael Diaz ($0.950m) / Bryan Allen ($3.500m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m) /
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($5.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,028,333; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,271,667
That's one tough team..

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04-26-2012, 12:42 PM
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That's one tough team..
I like it, except for Semin. Our top line cannot rely on a ghost to produce. I'd prefer a guy like PA Parenteau, who would more likely accept less money for a lesser term.

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04-26-2012, 01:06 PM
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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Alexander Semin ($7.500m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Lars Eller ($1.500m) / David Jones ($3.750m)
Travis Moen ($1.750m) / Alex Galchenyuk ($2.500m) / Louis Leblanc ($1.170m)
Ryan White ($0.650m) / Blake Geoffrion ($0.800m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($3.750m)
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Alexei Emelin ($1.750m)
Raphael Diaz ($0.950m) / Bryan Allen ($3.500m)
Yannick Weber ($0.850m) /
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($5.500m)
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,028,333; BONUSES: $300,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,271,667
Looks good, the only thing I don't like is Rene Bourque.

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04-26-2012, 01:09 PM
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that and putting our first pick on the 4rth line

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04-26-2012, 02:19 PM
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I like it, except for Semin. Our top line cannot rely on a ghost to produce. I'd prefer a guy like PA Parenteau, who would more likely accept less money for a lesser term.
I was beign sarcastic. That team is more soft than the one they had before Staubitz arrived on the scene.

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04-26-2012, 07:11 PM
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Looks good, the only thing I don't like is Rene Bourque.
Yea.... I feel that. But I think had already disappeared Kaberle and Gomez, so I figured i needed to be in some realm of possibility and not disappear another fat contract for an underachiever. Personally I would love to have AK46 back on the 3rd line with Eller and a David Jones type.

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04-26-2012, 07:22 PM
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Bourque could be nice to have on the third line next season for depth scoring, especially in the playoffs. He still managed 27 goals in back to back seasons. Unless you're facing Fleury or Bryzgalov, you need those depth guys when your top line is shutdown.

Semin isn't worth 7.5 though, unless you're overpaying for one season.

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04-26-2012, 07:31 PM
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Bourque could be nice to have on the third line next season for depth scoring, especially in the playoffs. He still managed 27 goals in back to back seasons. Unless you're facing Fleury or Bryzgalov, you need those depth guys when your top line is shutdown.

Semin isn't worth 7.5 though, unless you're overpaying for one season.
He struggled year round and overall still finished 3rd on the team in goals.

David Jones would be an interesting signing.

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04-26-2012, 09:35 PM
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that and putting our first pick on the 4rth line
Flyers did it with Couturier, Bruins with Seguin and Thornton in the past. Same with Vinny in Tampa. Its not that bad of a method to develop a prospect if he's rewarded with chances to produce on the powerplay or top lines occasionally.

As for Semin I wouldn't be against signing him on a short term deal (2-3 years). He's more talented than anyone else on this team and could be sick playing with Grigorenko. I could see him blossoming with Desharnais too, he'd get a lot of chances to snipe it.

Semin-Desharnais-Cole
Pacioretty-Plekanec-Gionta
Bourque-Eller-Leblanc/other (Jones is a good idea)

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04-26-2012, 09:58 PM
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I like Semin for one year. The habs will have some cap space and he'll be by far the best player available (unless Parise came which is almost certainly not happening)

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04-26-2012, 10:05 PM
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My lines for next year ...

For 2012-2013:
Pacioretty, Desharnais, Cole
Leblanc, Plekanek, Gallagher
Bourque, Eller, Gionta
Staubitz, White, Shultz

Markov, Georges
Emelin, Subban
Tinordi, Dumba

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04-26-2012, 10:28 PM
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My lines for next year ...

For 2012-2013:
Pacioretty, Desharnais, Cole
Leblanc, Plekanek, Gallagher
Bourque, Eller, Gionta
Staubitz, White, Shultz

Markov, Georges
Emelin, Subban
Tinordi, Dumba
Then the following year will end up with Nathan MacKinnon, with this line up!

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04-26-2012, 10:40 PM
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Yes so we will have a top quality forward in a strong draft, and a heck of a Defense...

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04-26-2012, 10:56 PM
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Yes so we will have a top quality forward in a strong draft, and a heck of a Defense...
I like it!

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04-26-2012, 11:02 PM
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Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Clowe - Plekanec - Bourque
Leblanc - Eller - Gionta
Moen - Stoll - White
Geoffrion, Staubitz

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
Hannan - Diaz
St. Denis

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04-27-2012, 02:09 PM
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One thing I've realized is you can have all the goal scorers you like but the lack of grit really shows up in the playoffs. Players like Gaborik and Malkin disappeared in the first round with most of the big goals being scored by the grinders. We should be aiming for players who do both. It's no surprise to me that both Pittsburgh and Chicago have lost since they've had to get rid of their depth / character players. Pittsburgh with Scuderi, Talbot, Gill, etc. and Chicago with Eager, Versteeg, Byfuglien, Ladd, etc.

That alone proves to me that our smurf team was constructed completely wrong and Gauthier / Gainey were wrong from the start.

So I keep Moen, Staubitz, White and Blunden. And I try to get a gritty scorer for our top 6. Look how much Cole transformed our team.

That's also why I'm uncertain at Desharnais at center moving forward though right now he's the least of our worries.

Get me a,

Clowe - Plekanec - Cole
Pacioretty - Eller - Desharnais
Bourque - Galchenyuk - Tootoo
Moen - Staubitz - White

and I'll start liking our team. These playoffs have been a war and we need some size / grit.

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04-27-2012, 04:21 PM
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One thing I've realized is you can have all the goal scorers you like but the lack of grit really shows up in the playoffs. Players like Gaborik and Malkin disappeared in the first round with most of the big goals being scored by the grinders.
Eight points in six games = disappeared?

Of course his Conn Smythe trophy is only more evidence that Malkin is nothing but a play off bottler.

My conclusion is that you don't know what you're talking about...

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04-27-2012, 05:03 PM
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Pacioretty - Plekanec - Doan
Bourque - Desharnais - Cole
Moen - Eller - Gionta
White - Dumont - Staubitz
Blunden

Sutter - Subban
Markov - Gorges
Emelin - Carkner/St-Denis

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04-27-2012, 05:08 PM
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Even with Markov being fully availableI i'll be a challenge for the Habs to improve significantly (i.e., 15 points) next season
. The Habs simply must resolve the Gomez situation. We shouldn't expect the 2012 entry draft to address all their needs. Other non-playoff teams will also be better and I don't see imminent collapse in any of this season's playoff teams.

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04-27-2012, 05:33 PM
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Eight points in six games = disappeared?

Of course his Conn Smythe trophy is only more evidence that Malkin is nothing but a play off bottler.

My conclusion is that you don't know what you're talking about...
Malkin's 8 points in 6 games was not Malkin like. If you watched the games he didn't boss the games like he normally does.

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04-27-2012, 05:51 PM
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Malkin's 8 points in 6 games was not Malkin like. If you watched the games he didn't boss the games like he normally does.
You are right on that one. But saying he choked is totally wrong.

He was targeted by a line-up of 5 players all game.

Couturier had a heck of a playoff. Without him, he'd have 12-14-16 points




On another note I'd like to see next season :



Patches Leblanc cole
Desharnais Eller Forsberg
Moen/Bourque* Plekanec Gionta
Bourque/Moen-xx-White/Staubitz/Darche/YYY

* Bourque should be on the 3rd line if he could shake is things up.
XX: That should be Gaustad. But Gaustad will cash in (Hell get 2.5 or so..) So we're not signing him.

Good alternative could be Jay Mcclemment(The better of them but should stay with the Av's) , Jim Slater(This is the cheap alternative but oh so good.)
So I choose Jim Slater. (Notice all these guy's are cheap, can throw them and most of all are shutdown centers.)

Other alternatives: Jesse Winchester(The lesser player but younger/cheaper.) Adam Hall, Derek Mackenzie(Small. But still pretty tough and capable.) Kelly( Expensive.), Campbell, Colin Fraser (Another one I like pretty much.)

YYY: This guy could be either one of the three mentionned. But i'd like a way more solid defensive player, while the guy needs to be big and tough (Tough doesnt mean fighting 20 times during the season).
Daniel Winnik, Tanner Glass, Brandon Prust Could all be good addition. The best way to go to me should be Glass. Winnik is the better player but he will cost more and doesnt really fights. Prust is the tougher/better ratio but will cash in. I settle for Glass. (Who is tough, Fights and is responsible Defensively.)

My point is to have 4 very balanced line with almost all the same time of play.
So theres not really any numerical order for the lines but ill go as 1,2,3 and 4.

So it should work like this
4 VS Hardest Matchup
3 VS 2nd hardest matchup
1 vs 3rd toughest matchup
2 vs easiest matchup.(A little like they did this year, But Eller is more responsible Defensively than DD and It should be easier for DD on the wings with Defensive responsabilities.)

Its kinda like the Vancouver model who used Kesler for shutdown until they had Malhotra. Kesler can now concentrate on the O more and that's why they are dominant.

That takes off alot of tough matchup on Pleks Back and Even Eller. And it also gives Plek second PK wich is also good for him. PLUS, you have the assurance that atleast ONE line will work out good.

Now we need to find a big tough defensive D. (Kinda like Ryan O'byrne heh ?)
And the D need's to be matched up with toughest to easiest. Gorges being our main shutdown he needs to get first line. Either if he plays with Subban or what ever it doesnt mind.

So the line-up.

Patches-Leblanc-Cole
DD-Eller-Forsberg
Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Moen-Slater-Glass

Gorges-Subban
Markov-XXX/Emelin
Emelin/XXX-Weber/Ellis?


It's an all or nothing line up. Obviously this won't unless I go in as GM (Gimme a number someone)


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04-27-2012, 05:57 PM
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You are right on that one. But saying he choked is totally wrong.

He was targeted by a line-up of 5 players all game.

Couturier had a heck of a playoff. Without him, he'd have 12-14-16 points
I didn't say he choked. I said he disappeared. He didn't continue his reputation in the playoffs. He was quiet.

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I didn't say he choked. I said he disappeared. He didn't continue his reputation in the playoffs. He was quiet.
I'd agree Malkin was not at his top form. But from those six games you are concluding that Malkin is not the 'kind of player' you need for the play offs, completely ignoring the fact that he's got a cup ring and a Conn Smythe trophy to his name.

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My take .....

Markov-Emelin
Subban-Suter/Weber
Kaberle/Diaz-Gorges

Pacioretty-Deharnais-Cole
Gionta-Plekanecs-Leblanc
Gallagher-Eller-Bourque
White-Gaustad-Geoffrieon/Staubitz

future: Beaulieu/Tinordi/St.Denis/Bennet/Pateryn/Nash
Holland-Galyenchuk-Kristo
Nattinen-Bournival-Enquist

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So the line-up.

Patches-Leblanc-Cole
DD-Eller-Forsberg
Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
Moen-Slater-Glass

Gorges-Subban
Markov-XXX/Emelin
Emelin/XXX-Weber/Ellis?


It's an all or nothing line up. Obviously this won't unless I go in as GM (Gimme a number someone)
Leblanc centering the 1st line? Am I missing something? He didn't even get to center the 4th line this year. He'll be the 3rd line RW.

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