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04-19-2012, 07:16 AM
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Looks like AV is finally giving him a chance. Question now did he prove himself enough to stay next season or will the 'nucks go after someone else.

Safe to assume Salo and Tanev both have top 6 spots locked up next year (assuming Salo resigns). No way 4.2mil should be in the press box + Alberts/MAG likely will be 7th/8th dmans next year. Question then becomes do the 'nucks want to go cheaper with d as the 3rd pairing and spend the cap elsewhere (i.e. a Winger to replace Raymond) or keep Ballard as a 3rd pairing.

Also how would Ballard situation effect the chance of Schultz signing here (virtually no chance of cracking the NHL roster if Ballard and Salo are both still here next year given Alberts and MAG would need to clear waivers).

Bottom line, its good to finally see Rome out of the line-up and hopefully out of a 'nuck jersey. He's like the Tanner Glass of this season... AV just overused him way too much for no reason and putting him in offensive situations that he had no business being in.
Sorry, but if Schultz will sign here, there is no way Alberts stays. Salo has 1 - 2 years left at the most.

You have

Bieska Ham
Edler Salo
Ballard Tanev
MAG Schultz

as an amazing a back end as one could ever ask, with Salo going to part time over the next couple of years and MAG and Schultz moving up as warranted/injuries.

I have praise for both Ballard and Alberts. Alberts has been worth his contract, and glad to see Ballard making the most of his chances right now.

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I hope he plays great the rest of the way because 1 mistake leading to a goal and losing the series and he'll be back to being the whipping boy which is unfair based on how solid he's been this year.

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Looks like AV is finally giving him a chance. Question now did he prove himself enough to stay next season or will the 'nucks go after someone else.

Safe to assume Salo and Tanev both have top 6 spots locked up next year (assuming Salo resigns). No way 4.2mil should be in the press box + Alberts/MAG likely will be 7th/8th dmans next year. Question then becomes do the 'nucks want to go cheaper with d as the 3rd pairing and spend the cap elsewhere (i.e. a Winger to replace Raymond) or keep Ballard as a 3rd pairing.

Also how would Ballard situation effect the chance of Schultz signing here (virtually no chance of cracking the NHL roster if Ballard and Salo are both still here next year given Alberts and MAG would need to clear waivers).

Bottom line, its good to finally see Rome out of the line-up and hopefully out of a 'nuck jersey. He's like the Tanner Glass of this season... AV just overused him way too much for no reason and putting him in offensive situations that he had no business being in.
It shouldn't. Ballard plays on the left, Schultz on the right. I've been hoping for a while that we keep Ballard and acquire Schultz to fill Salo's shoes.

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He seems to have put it together, lets hope its a sign of things to come for the rest of this season and into next season. Having him playing like this really solidifies our bottom pairing. People complain about his contract but realistically, what would you expect to get him for in free agency nowadays? It certainly wouldn't be much less, if at all, than he's making now.

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Might shed some light into his struggles. Along with his yelling matches with Deboer, his slash on his own goaltender and the Vancouver journalist mentioning his yelling and outburst after a game.


From his university:


http://www.gophersports.com/genrel/020604aad.html

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Toned down? It still was enough for Coach Guentzel, a man who has been around college hockey since 1981 and seen many a tough competitior, to call him psycho. Ballard was a highly-touted national recruit, a defenseman who had offensive skills that would make any forward jealous. But while his hockey talent was well developed, Guentzel recalled Ballard's inability to let the negatives of the game go. As a self-admitted highly competitive person, Ballard would get caught up in everything that went wrong on the ice and let all the imperfect plays cloud his vision of the game.

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Might shed some light into his struggles. Along with his yelling matches with Deboer, his slash on his own goaltender and the Vancouver journalist mentioning his yelling and outburst after a game.


From his university:


http://www.gophersports.com/genrel/020604aad.html
Sounds like the kind of player who needs a little more 1-on-1 coaching to bring the best out of him, as with some players, and I don't see AV as that kind of coach.

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Might shed some light into his struggles. Along with his yelling matches with Deboer, his slash on his own goaltender and the Vancouver journalist mentioning his yelling and outburst after a game.


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Seems like the kind of thing Gillis would be all over with specialists.

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Sounds like the kind of player who needs a little more 1-on-1 coaching to bring the best out of him, as with some players, and I don't see AV as that kind of coach.
I don't really see AV having a ton of time to babysit him, not to mention Hodgson and other who people think he's mean and nasty to.

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04-26-2012, 10:03 PM
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Seems like the kind of thing Gillis would be all over with specialists.
I would say they have been working on it. Probably have sports psychologists etc

At the end of the day no one really knows what's going on behind closed doors.

I wonder is his latest concussion was in fact a concussion.

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Sorry, but if Schultz will sign here, there is no way Alberts stays. Salo has 1 - 2 years left at the most.

You have

Bieska Ham
Edler Salo
Ballard Tanev
MAG Schultz

as an amazing a back end as one could ever ask, with Salo going to part time over the next couple of years and MAG and Schultz moving up as warranted/injuries.

I have praise for both Ballard and Alberts. Alberts has been worth his contract, and glad to see Ballard making the most of his chances right now.
Schultz would be way ahead of Tanev on the depth chart. That kid is the real deal. He'd be in our Top 4 by the trade deadline next year.

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Might shed some light into his struggles. Along with his yelling matches with Deboer, his slash on his own goaltender and the Vancouver journalist mentioning his yelling and outburst after a game.


From his university:


http://www.gophersports.com/genrel/020604aad.html
Details please?

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All those things had happened, sadly. But like those above me, I do believe he has turned a new leaf (whether or not he did with the help of AV or psychologists). From his wit in a number of interviews to his consistent play, it is definitely obvious the concussion was a wake up call. And for him to be able to get a spot in the playoffs and show his upside? It could definitely save him this summer.

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Schultz would be way ahead of Tanev on the depth chart. That kid is the real deal. He'd be in our Top 4 by the trade deadline next year.
Don't underestimate Tanev. He looked great in the playoffs and with another offseason he could come back ready for Top 4 duty. He's not that far off.

Schultz meanwhile, as high as his ceiling is, has never played AHL or NHL hockey and there might be an adjustment period, especially defensively.

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Don't underestimate Tanev. He looked great in the playoffs and with another offseason he could come back ready for Top 4 duty. He's not that far off.
Tanev is not far off being a stellar bottom pairing defenseman, but he needs a lot of work before I'd be comfortable labeling him a bonafide top 4. His offensive game is utterly non-existent. His shot couldn't tear through a spider web. The Canucks like a certain degree of offensive pop in their top 4, and he makes Dan Hamhuis look like Bobby Orr.

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Don't underestimate Tanev. He looked great in the playoffs and with another offseason he could come back ready for Top 4 duty. He's not that far off.

Schultz meanwhile, as high as his ceiling is, has never played AHL or NHL hockey and there might be an adjustment period, especially defensively.
Tanev looked calm and composed, but he's still getting mashed out there and has zero offensive game at this point. I'd be comfortable with him as a #6 guy next year.

We'll see with Schultz, but I really think all of his numbers point to him being an elite prospect.

Of course, I'm saying all this with the caveat of the Canucks having a new coaching staff that won't attempt to pigeonhole him into being just like every other player on our team (not many teams in the league want every D to play exactly the same like the Canucks do).

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Tanev is not far off being a stellar bottom pairing defenseman, but he needs a lot of work before I'd be comfortable labeling him a bonafide top 4. His offensive game is utterly non-existent. His shot couldn't tear through a spider web. The Canucks like a certain degree of offensive pop in their top 4, and he makes Dan Hamhuis look like Bobby Orr.
His shot is non-existent and he doesn't like to rush the puck, but he has a good outlet pass and he moves the puck pretty well in the offensive zone. It's not like we're talking about Volchenkov or Komisarek here.

Besides, if he's moving into Top 4 it's based on his defensive skill and ability to start a quick break-out, not his dynamic offensive game.

Edit: to be clear, not saying we start him in the Top 4 but I think he will earn it next year.

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His shot is non-existent and he doesn't like to rush the puck, but he has a good outlet pass and he moves the puck pretty well in the offensive zone. It's not like we're talking about Volchenkov or Komisarek here.

Besides, if he's moving into Top 4 it's based on his defensive skill and ability to start a quick break-out, not his dynamic offensive game.

Edit: to be clear, not saying we start him in the Top 4 but I think he will earn it next year.
Don't get me wrong, I think Tanev will be in our Top 4 next year as it stands right now. I just think if we can get Justin Schultz, he'll leap ahead of Tanev on the depth-chart. There might be an adjustment period, but I think that kid is for real.

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All those things had happened, sadly. But like those above me, I do believe he has turned a new leaf (whether or not he did with the help of AV or psychologists). From his wit in a number of interviews to his consistent play, it is definitely obvious the concussion was a wake up call. And for him to be able to get a spot in the playoffs and show his upside? It could definitely save him this summer.
Thanks, I know about those. I was just more wondering about the one talking about the Vancouver journalist mentioning yelling/outburst after a game.

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I would say they have been working on it. Probably have sports psychologists etc

At the end of the day no one really knows what's going on behind closed doors.

I wonder is his latest concussion was in fact a concussion.
note that this was written in what, 2004? he's probably changed and matured a lot

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Someone mentioned (forget who) on 1040 that they we're in the dressing room or workout room and overheard Ballard going nuts, yelling and cursing. Apparently he was really upset about how he played that night.

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I don't really see AV having a ton of time to babysit him, not to mention Hodgson and other who people think he's mean and nasty to.
Obviously.

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Someone mentioned (forget who) on 1040 that they we're in the dressing room or workout room and overheard Ballard going nuts, yelling and cursing. Apparently he was really upset about how he played that night.
Also last years in the playoffs when Ballard slipped behind the net he appeared to be "yelling" at Bieksa.

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note that this was written in what, 2004? he's probably changed and matured a lot
Who knows.


There does appear to be a pattern.

And frankly if age meant people changed and matured then we wouldn't have people in their adult years struggling with issues they've had since childhood etc

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