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04-27-2012, 07:15 PM
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Using your website, the radius does include the the portion of the Niagara peninsula if you use the city limit rather than the city centre.



Not as the crow flies.
As the crow flies it's 69 miles

Well the site below says 71 miles
http://www.freemaptools.com/how-far-is-it-between.htm

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04-27-2012, 07:18 PM
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Using your website, the radius does include the the portion of the Niagara peninsula if you use the city limit [COLOR="rgb(255, 0, 255)"](edit:Yonge and Steeles)[/COLOR] rather than the city centre.



Not as the crow flies.

But, I don't think any of this really matters. What matters is the league's whim
50 miles touches Hamilton Harbor.

Very true about the league.

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As the crow flies? Really? Are you sure about "As the crow flies"?
Yes dammit. "Really Truly Honestly Forever & Ever Amen". Scouts Honor. Thats exactly how its' worded as unbelievable & ludicrous as it's both written & sounds when you say it out loud. Like some late 19th century clause youd expect to find in a Treaty over land claims & territorial rights attributed to a governmental or miltary authority in negotiations with Cochise' or something. Just, bizarre, beyond even John Byner "Bizarre"... Tuesday nights at 8, on CHCH TV 11.

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There are lies, damn lies, and megaproject cost estimates. Rogers Centre, originally called "SkyDome", was promised for $150 million. The final cost was over half a billion ($570 million). After a couple of financial collapses, it was bought by Rogers Communications for $25 million in 2004. In the 15 years since its opening, it had depreciated 96%. Welcome to SkyDome II.
All cost overruns are being covered by Roustan's group, not the town of Markham.

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50 miles touches Hamilton Harbor.
I used the corner of Yonge & Steeles which is the city limit.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&rlz...ed=0CDIQ8gEwAg

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I used the corner of Yonge & Steeles which is the city limit.

http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&rlz...ed=0CDIQ8gEwAg
Yeah I believe I used location to location, but it was a couple of months ago and I used a site ....oh I got the name of the place now

But damn I must have been alot smarter then it looks confusing but very accurate
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/

Click on Calculators......that's all I can remember

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I used the corner of Yonge & Steeles which is the city limit.
Sorry, but you cant be doing that. The NHL Constitution was drafted in 1917. You'll have to determine where Toronto's city limits were at that time, and Id hazard to guess they stopped at either Bloor or perhaps atop Hoggs Hollow north of Lawrence & south of York Mills. Mt. Pleasant & Duplex on the east & west sides, with Parkdale & the Beaches borough's unto themselves. York, North York, Thornhill, Richmond Hill, Markham etc were all far flung locales' at the time pen was put to paper on this little charade.... if I was Eddie Livingstone, whose Dead, and Im not, though I sometimes wonder if ol' Eddy isnt visiting me out here from time-time, in the middle of the night like... Id' be rolling in the grave hysterically over this one.

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All cost overruns are being covered by Roustan's group, not the town of Markham.
Roustan's group is in for a rude awakking because there is no way this arena is only going cost 325 million LOL. more like between 400 - 500 million . Reason I say that is Quebec City arena is going to cost 400 million so there is no way the arena in Markham is going to cost less than what Quebec City is paying .

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Sorry, but you cant be doing that. The NHL Constitution was drafted in 1917. You'll have to determine where Toronto's city limits were at that time
Actually, yes you can. The NHL Constitution defines Home Territory as "the city in which it is located and within 50 miles of that city's corporate limits", present tense - not within 50 miles of that city's corporate limits when the Franchise was granted. As Toronto grew through amalgamation the Leafs Home Territory encroached outward.

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The NHL Constitution defines Home Territory as "the city in which it is located and within 50 miles of that city's corporate limits", present tense - not within 50 miles of that city's corporate limits....
Dangit, you Long Island Boys are mighty inventive, so I guess we'll just hafta leave it up to a Judge to decide...


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Roustan's group is in for a rude awakking because there is no way this arena is only going cost 325 million LOL. more like between 400 - 500 million . Reason I say that is Quebec City arena is going to cost 400 million so there is no way the arena in Markham is going to cost less than what Quebec City is paying .
How much of QC's cost includes land acquisition and site prep?

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How much of QC's cost includes land acquisition and site prep?
Land acquisition should be free.
Site prep & soil remediation?. Free.
You have a problem with this concept?...

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Land acquisition should be free.
Site prep & soil remediation?. Free.
You have a problem with this concept?...
No Killion I don't. I was just pointing out that the absence of land acquisition and site prep costs may keep the costs lower vis-a-vis QC. Nothing to get hostile over.

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No Killion I don't. I was just pointing out that the absence of land acquisition and site prep costs may keep the costs lower vis-a-vis QC. Nothing to get hostile over.
... no worries. Im too old (and drunk) to get "hostile".


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Markham City Council will discuss all-day transit service between Unionville GO Station (adjacent to the arena) and Union Station in Downtown Toronto on May 1st.

http://www2.markham.ca/markham/ccbs/...c323200775%29:

Metrolinx was already planning to study all-day, hourly service on this line in 2014, though Markham seems to be aiming for a more frequent service.

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....Markham seems to be aiming for a more frequent service.
... of couse they are. TTC clean on up to the arena.. Subway City. Theyll get it, eventually. Remove the tiles from Carlton/Wellesley, new Maple Leaf Gardens, "How d'ya Like Me So Far"?...

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FYI this arena is supposed to finish long before the QC arena

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Roustan's group is in for a rude awakking because there is no way this arena is only going cost 325 million LOL. more like between 400 - 500 million . Reason I say that is Quebec City arena is going to cost 400 million so there is no way the arena in Markham is going to cost less than what Quebec City is paying .
Listen Jim, why don't you send the Roustan group an email and inform them they are way out of line on the price. If you do this and save them 100's of millions of dollars, they may send you a lttle something. Maybe even season tickets to the new Markham NHL team.

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This is wake up call for Hamilton to get there act together & get Copps Coliseum renovated & get an prospective owner lined up within the next 3 years or risk lossing a potienial NHL. team that Hamilton has fought so hard for to Toronto & we all know we don't want that to happen do we .

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Roustan's group is in for a rude awakking because there is no way this arena is only going cost 325 million LOL. more like between 400 - 500 million . Reason I say that is Quebec City arena is going to cost 400 million so there is no way the arena in Markham is going to cost less than what Quebec City is paying .
Well with large Quebec construction projects you have to assume that $150M or so is tacked on due to corruption, no?

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Listen Jim, why don't you send the Roustan group an email and inform them they are way out of line on the price. If you do this and save them 100's of millions of dollars, they may send you a lttle something. Maybe even season tickets to the new Markham NHL team.
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Listen Jim....
... man are you ever irreverent. ya'll ax the Minister "howz it hangin" on your way into Church?....

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Roustan is a smart man & probley read that report by the confrence board of Canada saying that Hamilton & Quebec City are the only viable cities left in Canada in which to put an NHL. team & Toronto (Markham) was deemed not viable & would be difficult to make happen & he probley thinks it would be more trouble than it really worth to try putting a 2nd team in the GTA. .

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Roustan is a smart man & probley read that report by the confrence board of Canada saying that Hamilton & Quebec City are the only viable cities left in Canada in which to put an NHL. team & Toronto (Markham) was deemed not viable & would be difficult to make happen & he probley thinks it would be more trouble than it really worth to try putting a 2nd team in the GTA. .
1) That confrence report never ever said anything about Markham
2) The NHL decides compensation

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You guys want know somthing whille we are here bickerring away about who is better market Hamilton \ Markham \ Quebec City Gary Bettman & jolly gang of morons are sitting back laughing at us whille they plan to do stupid things to are national past time like trying hopeless crusade to save the Coyotes & thinkking of more stupid markets for hockey to expand to like Las Vegas or how about hawaii or new mexico anyything but Canada huh Gary . The fact is that Hamilton , Quebec City & Toronto 2 all can support & deserve NHL. teams I just think Hamilton & Quebec City should get there teams first because they have been waitting the longest & Toronto can afford to wait a little bit longer for a 2nd team . What I am trying to get at is that we have all turned on each other whille we have lost sight of who the true enemy is & that enemy is Gary Bettman his lacky Bill Daily & the rest of his jolly gang of morons .

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