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Capitals @ Rangers ECSF Game 1

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Chris Kreider 187 96.39%
Derek Stepan 10 5.15%
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Brad Richards 87 44.85%
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Carl Hagelin 1 0.52%
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Dan Girardi 4 2.06%
Marc Staal 1 0.52%
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He isn't even top five in his own Division never mind NHL.
Who are the other 5 skaters in the Atlantic division that play D position?

1) Letang? They are about the same skating wise but letang has better offensive instincts.

2)Streit? Not a good straight ahead skater, but good skater laterally. Not as good of skater than McD.

3)Larson? Not even close to McD skating wise.

4)Timmonen? I am not even going to touch that.

Who are these better skating Dmen than McD in the Atlantic?

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He isn't even top five in his own Division never mind NHL.
It'd be easier to follow your assertion if you'd offer up exactly what 5 defensemen's names in the Atlantic are better skaters.

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Who said I was "knocking" RM skating? want to point it out? I said Carlson is a more fluid and powerful skater. Ive watched these guys closely as I'm also a huge USA Hockey fan. So, based on my viewings which included RM time at Wisconsin I feel very comfortable making that judgement.
He's a better player in the NHL than he was in college. MTL didn't see that it would happen, and that's why they traded him.

McD plays more minutes at EV and PK, less on the PP. yet they both finished with 32 points.

Carlson is not good in the corners, and he gets exposed there. The Bruins didn't even want to go there, so he didn't get exposed in that series.

McDonagh is exceptional in his SKATING. That's his primary asset. Not his shot, which seems to be Carlson's.

McDonagh is very strong in the corners. Carlson is NOT.

So go trolling somewhere else. It seems like you turned on the game during the turnover, and didn't watch one bit of the game before or after it. So I'm done arguing with you. It's useless, as with all Caps fans, who feel they are entitled to everything and don't know anything outside of the Verizon Center.

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Who are these better skating Dmen than McD in the Atlantic?
Letang is the only one. That's it. And he's not even better. Just comparable. McDonagh is faster straight ahead, but otherwise they are about equal.

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Who are the better skating d-men in the Atlantic?

There are no defenseman on the Devils, Flyers, or Islanders that can touch McDonagh's skating.

Letang is about the only one who's even close, but McDonagh is a faster skater than him overall.
Thats wrong, Letang, Timmonen, Streit, Coburn and Carlson all are better skaters than RM. Every one of them have more fluid strides and better lateral mobility.

Enjoy the series, Im rooting for the Rangers, watch out for Carlson though.

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Dont kid yourself, there was plenty of play in the corners and on the boards. Carlson will surely be more challenged by NY top 6 than Bostons top 4, but given what I've seen of him he'll do just fine.
I'm not kidding myself, Boston rarely had a sustainable forecheck the whole series. Both Julian/Hunter decided to trap themselves to death. Every time Boston got near the corner they decided to cycle it back to their points.

There was VERY little play down low in that series. But whatever, I'm fooling myself I guess.

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Thats wrong, Letang, Timmonen, Streit, Coburn and Carlson all are better skaters than RM. Every one of them have more fluid strides and better lateral mobility.

Enjoy the series, Im rooting for the Rangers, watch out for Carlson though.
: laugh:

Wow. Everything you have written about McD is wrong.

And COBURN? LOLOLOLOLOL.

The ONLY arguable one is Letang. That's it. And McDonagh is straight up faster than him end to end. They are about equal on skating ability otherwise.

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I'm not kidding myself, Boston rarely had a sustainable forecheck the whole series. Both Julian/Hunter decided to trap themselves to death. Every time Boston got near the corner they decided to cycle it back to their points.

There was VERY little play down low in that series. But whatever, I'm fooling myself I guess.
Carlson was matched up quite a bit with Lucic, care to tell me how many goals Lucic got?

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Thats wrong, Letang, Timmonen, Streit, Coburn and Carlson all are better skaters than RM. Every one of them have more fluid strides and better lateral mobility.

Enjoy the series, Im rooting for the Rangers, watch out for Carlson though.
You said Atlantic, Carlson doesn't count.

Letang is the only one that is comparable.

The fact that you said Timmonen is hilarious.

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Thats wrong, Letang, Timmonen, Streit, Coburn and Carlson all are better skaters than RM. Every one of them have more fluid strides and better lateral mobility.

Enjoy the series, Im rooting for the Rangers, watch out for Carlson though.
I disagree with you, I think Letang is significantly better but I think with Timonen what you're seeing is faster relative motion because of his diminutive size.

Kimmo is 36 and has lost a half a step along the way.

Streit and Coburn I completely disagree with you on.

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You said Atlantic, Carlson doesn't count.

Letang is the only one that is comparable.

The fact that you said Timmonen is hilarious.
AND COBURN!!!

Freaking COBURN!!!

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Wow. Everything you have written about McD is wrong.

And COBURN? LOLOLOLOLOL.

The ONLY arguable one is Letang. That's it. And McDonagh is straight up faster than him end to end. They are about equal on skating ability otherwise.
Not to mention I'm pretty sure Carlsson isn't in the division...

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Not to mention I'm pretty sure Carlsson isn't in the division...
Ok you got me on that one.

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Carlson was matched up quite a bit with Lucic, care to tell me how many goals Lucic got?
Lucic wasn't physical at all in that series. He opted to position himself along the half wall in order to give more defensive support for Julian's system. But whatever.

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Ok you got me on that one.
We got you on every one.

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Carlson was matched up quite a bit with Lucic, care to tell me how many goals Lucic got?
Lucic played HORRIBLY. He didn't go to the net, he didn't give any big hits.

John Carlson was not the reason he played badly. He didn't even look like he tried.

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AND COBURN!!!

Freaking COBURN!!!
Laugh all you want Coburn is a better skater than RM.

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Laugh all you want Coburn is a better skater than RM.
I'm a better skater than John Carlson. There. I said it, so it's true.



^ That is the level of your argument.

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Laugh all you want Coburn is a better skater than RM.
In what universe?

Come on Flyers fan, I know you are lurking here. Back us up on this.

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I disagree with you, I think Letang is significantly better but I think with Timonen what you're seeing is faster relative motion because of his diminutive size.

Kimmo is 36 and has lost a half a step along the way.

Streit and Coburn I completely disagree with you on.
There is far more to "skating" than straight up/down motion. Timonen has great edge control when controlling the puck, certainly better than RM as does Streit.

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Well it is difficult to base skating ability on anything other than personal perspective as it is a very difficult thing to objectify.

There aren't any hard statistics to prove it.

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Malik >>>>>> Carlson

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