i'd trade hemsky and bulin to canucks for luongo...i think it works for both...bulin only has one more year left and that gives some time for vancouver to work in a backup for schneider,bulin would probably only have to play maybe 20-25 games tops which would make him more effective than the 40-45 games he played here and with a better team in front of him he may actually start winning some games again,and hemsky only has 2 years on his contract and would fill in the offense when they traded away cody hodson....and i think the luongo contract is not quite as bad as everyone makes it out to bad,sure its too long for anyone to get that long but it is front loaded and the last few years are only a million a year,yes the cap hit is 5.3 for all years but the oilers are not a team that will spend to the limit anyways...if he can get us to the playoffs for 3 or 4 years while he is here,oilers will more than make their money back at least.
This is just flat out dumb. Of course you don't. Hemsky needs to get back on track so we can get more value out of him. We can roll with 3 scoring lines next season.
Why would they trade Hemsky after they re-signed him a few months ago and he wants to be here? Be a little realistic people!
Unless Hemsky can play LW, trade him. Keep Eberle and Yakupov in their natural positions. Not that Hemsky would return anything of value anymore now that he has a 5 mil cap hit.
Oh HFOil, don't ever change. I see that some posters have the "New Shiny Toy" syndrome again. You draft a player like Yakupov to play with a guy like Hemsky, not replace him right away plus Hemsky's value is at an all time low and the team just signed him for 2 years and it would look bad on them to trade him right away.
So who plays on the 2nd line when Hemsky gets traded? Paajarvi, a guy who is struggling in the AHL? Hartikainen? A guy who is clearly not ready for full time top 6 action? Oh joy. I guess we should start the tank slogans already.
I know that a lot of folks dislike Hemsky based on one poor season but the guy is still a quality vet who can still play at a high level with skilled linemates. His best moments last season was with Hall on his line and his worst moments were playing with the other "vets" and when Hall got injured. Move Hemsky to LW to play with Yakupov and watch him flourish.
I agree completely! Why is HF so entrenched in the idea of the perpetual trading threads? I hope the Oilers can adopt the mentality of keeping our good players instead trying to trade players when "value is up." If after 2 years, Hemsky is not playing like a 5 million /year player, sure let him go. If he's still effective, sign him to a cheaper contract. Clearly something in Hemsky is keeping him in Edmonton so let's embrace that and keep some depth in our lineup! Remember - our team was a one line team last year, perhaps we can have 2 lines going next year!
Rather see him traded regardless of whether the Oilers pick Yakupov.
But his value is tanked. Most outside of edmonton didn't think much of him before last year, now they think the CBA needs to be fixed because someone was dumb enough to give him 5 million a year. I only hope he rebounds and some other GM ignores all of his massive issues and offers more than the reported 2nd and 3rd rounders they were offering at this last trade deadline.
i'd trade hemsky and bulin to canucks for luongo...i think it works for both...bulin only has one more year left and that gives some time for vancouver to work in a backup for schneider,bulin would probably only have to play maybe 20-25 games tops which would make him more effective than the 40-45 games he played here and with a better team in front of him he may actually start winning some games again,and hemsky only has 2 years on his contract and would fill in the offense when they traded away cody hodson....and i think the luongo contract is not quite as bad as everyone makes it out to bad,sure its too long for anyone to get that long but it is front loaded and the last few years are only a million a year,yes the cap hit is 5.3 for all years but the oilers are not a team that will spend to the limit anyways...if he can get us to the playoffs for 3 or 4 years while he is here,oilers will more than make their money back at least.
This is just wrong on so many levels, especially the part in bold. The fact that it is front loaded makes no difference whatsoever. It's still 5.3 mil a year on the cap hit so when he makes the most/least amount of salary isn't an issue. I know 5.3 mil doesn't seem like a big chunk of change to pay for a number 1 goalie but to take on that salary for a guy who has proven absolutely nothing in the post season and who obviously has consistency issues for 10 more years I think I'd rather just pass.
You also said that the Oilers are not a team that will spend to the cap limit. Did you forget that in a few years we'll have to find cap room for RNH, Hall, Eberle, Yakupov and not to mention that by then this team SHOULD have a top tier dman who we'll have to pay top dollar for? If all these guys can become the stars we all expect them to be, then you better believe they'll be asking for hefty pay raises. Also guys like PRV, Gagner and Petry, if these guys are still with the team and can live up to their potential, will also demand at least 3 mil a season as well. The only way we won't be up to the cap in a few years is if these players decide to take discounts or a couple of these guys are moved elsewhere even with Horcoff's contract off the books.
With regards to Luongo, even though I haven't had much confidence in Dubnyk in the past, I think i'd rather hold onto to him and hopefully he can take the reigns with this team as opposed to bringing in a guy as uncertain as Luongo who we might be stuck with for 10 more years.
i'd trade hemsky and bulin to canucks for luongo...i think it works for both...bulin only has one more year left and that gives some time for vancouver to work in a backup for schneider,bulin would probably only have to play maybe 20-25 games tops which would make him more effective than the 40-45 games he played here and with a better team in front of him he may actually start winning some games again,and hemsky only has 2 years on his contract and would fill in the offense when they traded away cody hodson....and i think the luongo contract is not quite as bad as everyone makes it out to bad,sure its too long for anyone to get that long but it is front loaded and the last few years are only a million a year,yes the cap hit is 5.3 for all years but the oilers are not a team that will spend to the limit anyways...if he can get us to the playoffs for 3 or 4 years while he is here,oilers will more than make their money back at least.
Unless Hemsky can play LW, trade him. Keep Eberle and Yakupov in their natural positions. Not that Hemsky would return anything of value anymore now that he has a 5 mil cap hit.
We traded Penner with a 4.25 cap hit with no problem, and still got a first, prospect, and 3rd. And Penner still had a year left on his deal, similar to dealing Hemsky at this deadline.
It all comes down to how he is playing. If he is on his game, teams will line up at the deadline. That being said, if he's playing like we know he can why would we trade him for picks and prospects? We would need a good defender for him if he's playing well.
We traded Penner with a 4.25 cap hit with no problem, and still got a first, prospect, and 3rd. And Penner still had a year left on his deal, similar to dealing Hemsky at this deadline.
It all comes down to how he is playing. If he is on his game, teams will line up at the deadline. That being said, if he's playing like we know he can why would we trade him for picks and prospects? We would need a good defender for him if he's playing well.
If he can somehow rejuvenate his career, then it'd be for the best. However, with Nail replacing him as the 2nd line RW, unless Hemsky can make the switch to LW, it will not happen. Anybody that has Horcoff as their center will not produce offensively.
Penner was coming off a 30 goal year, was on pace for 25 goals again, and plays almost every game every year. Hemsky is coming off a 38 point season, and has trouble playing even 70 games. The value is not equal. Hemsky would've returned a king's ransom 2/3 years ago. Now I'd settle for a #4 defenseman or mid level picks and prospects.
This is not a terrible lineup, most opposing teams would have fits trying to defend against arguably three first-line caliber combinations like that (1a-1b-1c). That last scoring line is at least a very good number 2 line. Before the "you can't put Horcoff with Yakupov or Hall" birds start chirping, this is simply the best way to spread the skill amongst 3 lines. And two number 1 overall players on a single line should be able to provide offense even if they had Bambi on skates for their center. Hall plus Yakupov is more than enough to carry a line.
2. Switch one of Eberle, Yakupov or Hemsky to the LW position.
We could either play Hemsky and Yakupov together, and they can find a lot of the success that Hall and Hemsky had together. Hemsky on the LW feeding Yakupov one-timers seems not only logical, but necessary to an extent for both to succeed to their maximum potential.
And if there's one player on our team who can successfully make the transition to the LW becaause of there all around skill and high hockey IQ it's Mr. Eberle. He has made some strong plays off the LW even without that being his position:
Not to mention some goals I can't find like his backhands in 2010-2011 on Price and against the BJs.
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Hall-Gagner-Yakupov
Eberle-RNH-Yakupov
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Hemsky-RNH-Yakupov
Hall-Gagner-Eberle
These are legitimate first lines, especially when Hall fills out a little more and starts creating even more space for his linemates. My concern is the size down the middle and on top of that the consistency that Gagner has failed to bring to the table. Completely OT of course, and I have a biased hatred towards Gagner that will never subside. That being said, you can't put him in a much better position to succeed than those above.
So the question is not whether you trade Hemsky or keep him, it's how do you best assemble the wealth of talent that has been bestowed upon us by the hockey gods gifting us first overall in 2012 and take advantage of this amazing situation we have up front. You KEEP Hemsky without question, and perhaps try to acquire some sized vets that know their role in the bottom two lines.
If success is not found with these options, then it's the GM's responsibility to fix that. But it's hard not to think that's not an acceptable NHL top 6/top 9. If we do have success, we're not complaining, and Hemsky's value is also going up for the pro-traders.
I'd say there are very limited trade options out there (if we're going to consider other team's needs and why they'd actually do it).
OTT - If Alfie retires then they really lack skill on the wing (especially RW). Hemsky would be a good fit there (played one of his best games against the Sens last year). They'd probably want to send similar salary back and we need D, likely means Gonchar comes back (could be good to have another Ruskie with Nail).
In a less likely scenario, maybe we could do Gagner, Hemsky for Grabovski, Kulemin?
In my last poll about if Tambo drafted Yak and signed Schultz and that is all he did would you be happy; it started out 75% said yes and 25% said no. It has now levelled out to 60% yes and 40% no.
A new question has arised from that poll:
If EDM drafts Yakapov should they trade hemsky or keep Hemsky?
Both players play the right wing, we all know that Hemsky can not play the left wing.
Yak shoots left but plays the right side. Can Yak be just as effective on the left wing?
So, I ask you my fellow Oiler fans if EDM drafts Yakapov do they trade Hemsky or keep Hemsky?
If they keep Hemsky how do they accommodate both players?
If they trade Hemsky who do they trade him to and what might to possible return be?
In regards to the bolded, how do we know Hemsky can't play LW? To my knowledge the Oilers have never tried him there going back as far as the lockout. There has never been a reason to. Last season was the first time the Oilers had anyone as good as Hemsky at RW. This upcoming season will be the first time we might have 2.
He and Eberle worked well together, at the ends of games down the stretch, but I'm not sure who played LW on the line. I think either could be successful there though.
This is stupid, why would we trade Hemmer? So we would basically role with our top 2 lines with 19 and 20 yr old kids. Hemsky needs to be part of this rebuild at least for the next 2 yrs, especially if we draft Yakupov.
When we signed Hemsky to the 2 year we already knew we were getting a very high draft pick. So obviously the decision has already been made to keep him... There's only one big name player on the cutting board this offseason and that's Gagner.
In regards to Luango, any player that is 33 or older and is on a long expensive contract I would not want, even if he come here with a minimum trade.
You will be lucky to get 2 years of good performance and then it's all downhill. Yes, there are exceptions, but the norm is after you reach 34-35 your physicality declines. Oilers have made too many of these type of acquisitions in the past few years.
Just to be clear, you don't know if Luongo is that much better then Dubnyk?
I believe that's what he said, yes.
I'm not so sure that Dubnyk is better than Luongo but I'd never trade for a goalie that put up a 2.41 GAA and .919 save percentage behind the best team in the league when we have a goalie who is 8 years younger and put up a 2.67 GAA and .914 save percentage behind the second worst team in the league. It also helps that Dubnyk isn't on a brutal contract.
