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04-29-2012, 06:55 PM
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See, I think Voracek is most untouchable by far. I like Couts but he's not exactly that shut down forward everyone thinks he is. Malkin had 8 freaking pts in the first round. Voracek is the man!!
Most of Malkin's points didn't come with Couturier on the ice.

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I'm on board with keeping JVR. I see way to much potential in him. Let's at least see what he can do with a healthy season next year

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I don't there there is much, if any, tweaking that needs to be done to the forwards. The only changes I would make would be on defense.

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See, I think Voracek is most untouchable by far. I like Couts but he's not exactly that shut down forward everyone thinks he is. Malkin had 8 freaking pts in the first round. Voracek is the man!!
I got my popcorn ready, this will be interesting....

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No way in hell do the Flyers even think about dealing Sean Couturier.

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I got my popcorn ready, this will be interesting....
Well advanced stats (or actually just stats in general) showed he was wrong so.. not much of a debate here.

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I don't get the infatuation with JVR. Before this year he had ONE good playoff series. Over his NHL career he averaged about a half point per game. If you can get ANY D-Man worth his salt, dump JVR and his too big for his britches contract.

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04-29-2012, 07:20 PM
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See, I think Voracek is most untouchable by far. I like Couts but he's not exactly that shut down forward everyone thinks he is. Malkin had 8 freaking pts in the first round. Voracek is the man!!


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04-29-2012, 07:29 PM
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Well advanced stats (or actually just stats in general) showed he was wrong so.. not much of a debate here.
With such bold(and stupid) statements I thought he'd get massmurdered here.
I never believed there would be much of a debate, since he doesn't have any arguments unless he makes stuff up.

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Couts is going no where, and I doubt JVR is either. Though I wouldn't want it to happen if any of the young guys went away in a deal it would prob be Read.

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Couts is going no where, and I doubt JVR is either. Though I wouldn't want it to happen if any of the young guys went away in a deal it would prob be Read.
I wonder what we could get for Read? Scores goals, pretty fast, good on the PK, pretty good at shootouts. With all that he brings to the table and signed very cheap for the next 2 years he's probably worth more to a team that's up against the cap like we are obviously. But if Read and a 1st could get us a serious look at a legit top 4 guy (not Suter/Weber caliber, maybe someone like Beauchemin or Vlasic?) I'd be interested.

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See, I think Voracek is most untouchable by far. I like Couts but he's not exactly that shut down forward everyone thinks he is. Malkin had 8 freaking pts in the first round. Voracek is the man!!
I really don't even know what to say to this.

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I wonder what we could get for Read? Scores goals, pretty fast, good on the PK, pretty good at shootouts. With all that he brings to the table and signed very cheap for the next 2 years he's probably worth more to a team that's up against the cap like we are obviously. But if Read and a 1st could get us a serious look at a legit top 4 guy (not Suter/Weber caliber, maybe someone like Beauchemin or Vlasic?) I'd be interested.
Why trade Read? Unless you can get ridiculous value for him he should stay. Hypothetically let's say he puts up 20g-20a the next 2 years that's really good value for someone on a ELC.

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Why trade Read? Unless you can get ridiculous value for him he should stay. Hypothetically let's say he puts up 20g-20a the next 2 years that's really good value for someone on a ELC.
Oh yeah no doubt, if he can keep it up as a 40-45 point player he's great value, but he's also the most expendable of our young forwards. If we are content with not going after a top pairing guy, why not see if you can dangle him to pad our defensive depth?

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See, I think Voracek is most untouchable by far. I like Couts but he's not exactly that shut down forward everyone thinks he is. Malkin had 8 freaking pts in the first round. Voracek is the man!!
I do not believe he is signed beyond this year yet

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04-29-2012, 08:32 PM
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why after winning a game in the playoffs does the debate always turn to "i wouldn't trade (enter name here), but i would trade (enter name here)"?

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why after winning a game in the playoffs does the debate always turn to "i wouldn't trade (enter name here), but i would trade (enter name here)"?
Haven't you paid any attention to this fanbase, the hand is ALWAYS on the panic button.

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I do not believe he is signed beyond this year yet
This is true. He is a RFA though.

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04-29-2012, 08:42 PM
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Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
vanRiemsdyk - Briere - Voracek
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Talbot - Couturier - Wellwood

Timonen - Meszaros
Coburn - Grossmann
Bourdon - Gustafsson

There is no reason to trade anyone. Suter or Weber would be nice, but really we should not be throwing around assets for it. Sign Suter in the offseason if you can, but that's about it.

Now that Bryzgalov has somewhat created himself a niche, even in as uneasy a state as it currently exists, Bobrovsky could be made available though.

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Voracek is untouchable to me right now.
Agreed x 1000

I really want him signed long term.

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Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
vanRiemsdyk - Briere - Voracek
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Talbot - Couturier - Wellwood

Timonen - Meszaros
Coburn - Grossmann
Bourdon - Gustafsson

There is no reason to trade anyone. Suter or Weber would be nice, but really we should not be throwing around assets for it. Sign Suter in the offseason if you can, but that's about it.

Now that Bryzgalov has somewhat created himself a niche, even in as uneasy a state as it currently exists, Bobrovsky could be made available though.
Jagr and Vorachek both need new contracts and will be looking for raises. People really don't mention the fact that Vorachek could get taken with an offer sheet.

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04-29-2012, 09:23 PM
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Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
vanRiemsdyk - Briere - Voracek
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Talbot - Couturier - Wellwood

Timonen - Meszaros
Coburn - Grossmann
Bourdon - Gustafsson

There is no reason to trade anyone. Suter or Weber would be nice, but really we should not be throwing around assets for it. Sign Suter in the offseason if you can, but that's about it.

Now that Bryzgalov has somewhat created himself a niche, even in as uneasy a state as it currently exists, Bobrovsky could be made available though.
Yea bob's stock went through the roof when he got swiss cheese'd in game 4.

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Jagr and Vorachek both need new contracts and will be looking for raises. People really don't mention the fact that Vorachek could get taken with an offer sheet.
I think we'll get him signed.

Carle's money will be moving on as well.

On top of that, I wouldn't necessarily be against Jagr parting ways. He's been great. He's awesome for the kids. Still, he could easily become a cap casualty.

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04-29-2012, 09:28 PM
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If we're to move bob, I wouldn't be opposed to bringing back Marty biron to fill the backup role.

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Hartnell - Giroux - Jagr
vanRiemsdyk - Briere - Voracek
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Talbot - Couturier - Wellwood

Timonen - Meszaros
Coburn - Grossmann
Bourdon - Gustafsson

There is no reason to trade anyone. Suter or Weber would be nice, but really we should not be throwing around assets for it. Sign Suter in the offseason if you can, but that's about it.

Now that Bryzgalov has somewhat created himself a niche, even in as uneasy a state as it currently exists, Bobrovsky could be made available though.
It will be an absolute joke if Couturier is on the 4th line again next season.

The Flyers have too many top 9 forwards and there isn't enough ice time to go around. The youth is going to need to given more minutes to develop. It isn't going to hurt removing a forward.

I'm not advocating trading JVR specifically, but trading one of your surplus of forwards would be a move that makes sense.

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