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04-29-2012, 09:32 PM
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It will be an absolute joke if Couturier is on the 4th line again next season.

The Flyers have too many top 9 forwards and there isn't enough ice time to go around. The youth is going to need to given more minutes to develop. It isn't going to hurt removing a forward.

I'm not advocating trading JVR specifically, but trading one of your surplus of forwards would be a move that makes sense.
Well...

I'd be all for...

Hartnell - Giroux - Briere
vanRiemsdyk - Schenn - Voracek
Read - Couturier - Simmonds
Rinaldo - Talbot - Wellwood

That's with Jagr gone.

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04-29-2012, 09:35 PM
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It will be an absolute joke if Couturier is on the 4th line again next season.

The Flyers have too many top 9 forwards and there isn't enough ice time to go around. The youth is going to need to given more minutes to develop. It isn't going to hurt removing a forward.

I'm not advocating trading JVR specifically, but trading one of your surplus of forwards would be a move that makes sense.
I'm fairly certain that coots won't be playing 4th line minutes next season. I think you'll see schenn and Couturier work in 2a and 2b type roles. I think what will most likely happen is Briere will be moved to RW permenantly. I also don't think Jagr will be resigned unless he were willing to take a MASSIVE pay cut.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
vanRiemsdyk-Schenn-Briere
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Wellwood-Talbot(or FA faceoff specialist)-Rinaldo/Sestito

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04-29-2012, 09:44 PM
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This may be me just being a homer, but I can't see Voracek signing an offer sheet with anybody if we have a some trouble signing him. You can tell how much he loves it here and is getting his first taste at any kind of success. This just may result in us not being able to hold onto Jagr who even though has a reputation for following the money, I could see taking a discount to stick around another year because he seems to be enjoying himself.

As for trading one of the young forwards, I'd rather just keep this group together next year and re-tool a bit when Timonen's contract is up. We aren't in as much trouble as some people are making out to be. Coburn has really taken the next step and although he has been counted on heavily before, he has arguably been our most important defenseman through the first 7 games of these playoffs and he is taking it in stride. Meszaros is still fairly young and Grossman will be a member of this d-corps for years to come. Bourdon and Gustafsson have also shown some promise with their performances this season.

While it certainly is nice to have 1st round picks again, I'd have no problem using a few of them to get another top 4 dman in here because our track record isn't great developing dmen as it is and we won't need any forwards. While Read is already a good young player and on a hell of a contract, I'd rather deal him than Voracek or JVR because I believe Wellwood could produce similarly to him if given a chance. Saying that, lets just keep this forward core together for a few years if possible.

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04-29-2012, 09:45 PM
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Well...

I'd be all for...

Hartnell - Giroux - Briere
vanRiemsdyk - Schenn - Voracek
Read - Couturier - Simmonds
Rinaldo - Talbot - Wellwood

That's with Jagr gone.
I think that makes more sense.




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I'm fairly certain that coots won't be playing 4th line minutes next season. I think you'll see schenn and Couturier work in 2a and 2b type roles. I think what will most likely happen is Briere will be moved to RW permenantly. I also don't think Jagr will be resigned unless he were willing to take a MASSIVE pay cut.

Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
vanRiemsdyk-Schenn-Briere
Simmonds-Couturier-Read
Wellwood-Talbot(or FA faceoff specialist)-Rinaldo/Sestito
I don't think Couturier will get 4th line minutes either, but if we kept the forward corps exactly the same as Chris previously suggested someone would be getting the short end of the stick. Look at today's game for example. Schenn gets 4th line minutes and Read's get reduced because the Couturier line gets more minutes. The depth is great, but so much depth means you're also diminishing the returns on some players because there's not enough minutes for everyone.

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04-29-2012, 10:02 PM
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I was reading a lot on the main board earlier and have decided that I agree with them -

JVR is a cheap version of Chris Kreider...

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I was reading a lot on the main board earlier and have decided that I agree with them -

JVR is a cheap version of Chris Kreider...
Ugh.

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04-29-2012, 10:12 PM
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See that lanky kid screening the goalie on the winning goal in game 1. There's a reason that he's on the flyers and there's a reason Holmgren and the flyers are willing to show great patience with him.

If I see another trade JVR thread i'm going to lose it. You simply don't trade players with this much potential. I just wish the rest of the fanbase would get on board and realise it.

He's already scored some seriously crucial goals for the flyers. All stemming back to that game 7 in Boston.
I like how this has turned into another JVR trade thread.

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04-29-2012, 11:10 PM
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I was reading a lot on the main board earlier and have decided that I agree with them -

JVR is a cheap version of Chris Kreider...
Haha, gotta love it. I could expend so much time and energy keeping that going, but I need my sanity.

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04-29-2012, 11:17 PM
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I was reading a lot on the main board earlier and have decided that I agree with them -

JVR is a cheap version of Chris Kreider...
That thread is hilarious. I've watched Kreider play in person literally dozens of times and I'm being told I know nothing about him by people that having seen him on tv half a dozen times.

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That thread is hilarious. I've watched Kreider play in person literally dozens of times and I'm being told I know nothing about him by people that having seen him on tv half a dozen times.
Dude's faster than Wellwood.

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That thread is hilarious. I've watched Kreider play in person literally dozens of times and I'm being told I know nothing about him by people that having seen him on tv half a dozen times.
Same. Like I should have to prove I went to college in Boston and know what he's all about.

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04-29-2012, 11:50 PM
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JVR has more potential than anybody on this team, except Giroux and Jagr (prime). Well, I even tend to think that he has more potential (skills) than Giroux, while Giroux is definitely the best player for other reasons. Will he reach it? Nobody knows for sure, but the guy could become a constant 50 goal scorer if he does. He's just that good.

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JVR has more potential than anybody on this team, except Giroux and Jagr (prime). Well, I even tend to think that he has more potential (skills) than Giroux, while Giroux is definitely the best player for other reasons. Will he reach it? Nobody knows for sure, but the guy could become a constant 50 goal scorer if he does. He's just that good.
JVR has a high ceiling, but those are some bold statements. We do have Schenn and Couturier on the team, both with unlimited potential at this point.

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I wonder what we could get for Read? Scores goals, pretty fast, good on the PK, pretty good at shootouts. With all that he brings to the table and signed very cheap for the next 2 years he's probably worth more to a team that's up against the cap like we are obviously. But if Read and a 1st could get us a serious look at a legit top 4 guy (not Suter/Weber caliber, maybe someone like Beauchemin or Vlasic?) I'd be interested.
I believe it was Patrick Henry who was quoted as saying , " Give me Beauchemin or Give me Death.

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JVR has more potential than anybody on this team, except Giroux and Jagr (prime). Well, I even tend to think that he has more potential (skills) than Giroux, while Giroux is definitely the best player for other reasons. Will he reach it? Nobody knows for sure, but the guy could become a constant 50 goal scorer if he does. He's just that good.
Couturier is the most talanted player in this team to me. Probably more than Giroux! Lol

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He got better as the game went on. I can see the same trend end up applying to the series. With Briere and Giroux going like they are, adding JVR to that becomes something that even the Rangers couldn't handle right now...

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I was reading a lot on the main board earlier and have decided that I agree with them -

JVR is a cheap version of Chris Kreider...
get a grip, kreider scores two goals and he is a god send all of a sudden. flyers have at least 3 "kreiders" on out team right now. and I laugh whenall the commentators gush about his blazing spped. you want speed see Read or Wellwood. kreider could carry Wellwoods jock strap.

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I doubt heavily Voracek gets offer sheeted... it would take the other team a 1st and a 3rd to get him for the salary he will command, as he is not being signed for less than 3 million!

And only Dustin Penner has ever changed teams by offer sheet, and is one of only 6 to have signed an offer sheet.

People just don't do them, partly as the other team very likely match, which just pisses other GM's off at you!

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I was reading a lot on the main board earlier and have decided that I agree with them -

JVR is a cheap version of Chris Kreider...
haha

I love how Kreider has played one real good playoff game, and now he's already destined to be a great player

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I wonder what we could get for Read? Scores goals, pretty fast, good on the PK, pretty good at shootouts. With all that he brings to the table and signed very cheap for the next 2 years he's probably worth more to a team that's up against the cap like we are obviously. But if Read and a 1st could get us a serious look at a legit top 4 guy (not Suter/Weber caliber, maybe someone like Beauchemin or Vlasic?) I'd be interested.
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JVR needs to realize once and for all that his game is in front of the net. Too many times he tries to take things wide to make a play. This guy can be a dominant force in front of that net. Last night was a perfect example of that. He made a living annoying the crap out of Brodeur. They couldn’t stop him and they couldn’t move him. With a playmaker like Briere on the same line it is paramount that JVR realizes that because he is going to get a boat load of chances to bury goals down low. Briere is magical behind the net and if JVR just plants his big ole butt right in front of Brodeur he’s gonna get a lot of goals this series.

Best game of the year, now follow it up with another great Game 2!

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JVR needs to realize once and for all that his game is in front of the net. Too many times he tries to take things wide to make a play. This guy can be a dominant force in front of that net. Last night was a perfect example of that. He made a living annoying the crap out of Brodeur. They couldn’t stop him and they couldn’t move him. With a playmaker like Briere on the same line it is paramount that JVR realizes that because he is going to get a boat load of chances to bury goals down low. Briere is magical behind the net and if JVR just plants his big ole butt right in front of Brodeur he’s gonna get a lot of goals this series.

Best game of the year, now follow it up with another great Game 2!
This, though going wide on the wing is fine...


...if he is cutting hard to the net and trying to force the puck in. Then see above.

I also like his shot off the faceoff in the offensive zone. They like putting him there on that play and he has buried that a few times in big spots before.

If he puts it all together consistently and stays healthy, no question he is on Giroux's wing next year. They have some good chemistry and both of them going at once is unstoppable.

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haha

I love how Kreider has played one real good playoff game, and now he's already destined to be a great player
I wonder what HFboards would be saying after Andy friggen Delmore got a hat trick years back.

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All of this talk about Jagr not getting resigned has me thinking...what if he signs in Pittsburgh in the off season? That would be trolling in epic proportions.

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Jagr will be re-signed by the Flyers. Make no bones about it. They love what he's brought to the team and the younger players love being around him. His energy, attitude, details to attention and work ethic have been infectious and the young guys have really stepped up their games. That's what Holmgren was looking for when he signed Jagr and he got it in spades. He'll get one more year and probably call it a career afterwards.

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