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04-30-2012, 06:14 AM
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Despite an allegedly "awful" year, Kaberle still piled up the points for us and did help the PP - everyone chooses to ignore those two things, but they are actually very valuable. Not many defensemen can put up 40 points in a season. Montreal now has 3 of them. That's actually a luxury for the new coach to have when putting together a PP.

He had no offseason last year and obviously wasn't ready. Now he's got a long summer and no excuses. He'll be better next season. Put him on the 3rd pairing, bring in one D man who is more defensive than offensive, use Diaz and Weber as # 7 and # 8, and the back end is actually shaping up quite well.

We should spend far more time ranting about the awfulness of our forward group than worrying about being "stuck" with a 40 point defenseman.

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04-30-2012, 06:29 AM
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Kaberle had 22 points in 43 games and was just fair defensively. He's soft like butter and the Habs powerplay was ranked 28 out of 30. If you could stick him with a very tough, defensive minded guy he'd be better. Someone along the lines of a Carkner type hopefully.

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04-30-2012, 06:55 AM
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We have Tomas Kaberle, which is about as desirable as we having chlamydia.
Problem is we also have that disease we picked up in Mexico.
This is both very funny and very offensive.

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04-30-2012, 07:26 AM
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You're right, Gomez is from Alaska not Mexico!

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04-30-2012, 07:59 AM
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Kaberle is not so bad really. The problem is he doesn't really compliment the existing skill set, which is heavy on guys who have the same skills as he does (Markov, Weber, Diaz and to a lesser extent Subban) and lean on guys who play defensive, physical hockey (Gorge and Emelin). If one of Weber or Diaz is moved during the summer and we bring another physical guy then Kaberle can stay. If we keep Diaz, Weber and Kaberle and play them as 1/2 of our defense corp then Carey is going to get shelled next season.

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04-30-2012, 08:47 AM
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Don't be all that ********... Zidliky who is way worse than him fetched a pretty good return.

With one year remaining we can deal him at the draft for a late pick (4th?)
I don't know about that. I've been watching Zid play with NJ during these playoffs and he isn't that bad. He competes hard, has a bit of a physical game and can really skate with the puck.

Kaberle's competitiveness isn't that great, and forget about him making a hit or working the boards. I think Zid has more going for him frankly.

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04-30-2012, 08:55 AM
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04-30-2012, 08:56 AM
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I'm no Kaberle fan, but as with Rene Bourque, i haven't completely given up on him yet.

I want to see what both guys can do next season with a hopefully improved atmposphere and more suitable line-mates.

I'd like to see us pair Kaberle up with a solid and physical stay at home type. Not sure if this guy can be found on the UFA market but i would move Y.Weber for that type of player in a heartbeat.

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04-30-2012, 09:21 AM
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I'm no Kaberle fan, but as with Rene Bourque, i haven't completely given up on him yet.

I want to see what both guys can do next season with a hopefully improved atmposphere and more suitable line-mates.

I'd like to see us pair Kaberle up with a solid and physical stay at home type. Not sure if this guy can be found on the UFA market but i would move Y.Weber for that type of player in a heartbeat.
Problem is Weber doesn't hold any value. I hope we get a GM that knows what he's doing.

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04-30-2012, 10:05 AM
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Problem is Weber doesn't hold any value. I hope we get a GM that knows what he's doing.

Say who?

During the traded deadline on TSN, Darren Dreger mentioned that two guys on the Habs that teams were calling about were White and Weber, and MTL didn't want to give them up.

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Problem is Weber doesn't hold any value. I hope we get a GM that knows what he's doing.
Well its not like i'm looking to package him for a top line center.

I'd be looking for a reliable bottom pair d-man. I would think that Weber (or Weber and a pick) might be able to get that kind of return.

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Say who?

During the traded deadline on TSN, Darren Dreger mentioned that two guys on the Habs that teams were calling about were White and Weber, and MTL didn't want to give them up.
Maybe because other teams were offering 3rd rounders and up? All the sharks come out to play at the TDL, good on Gauthier not to be stupid enough to pull the trigger. I don't see how Weber has any value right now he basically lost his spot on the team, on a terrible defense. And White is a 3rd liner energy player, those are dime a dozen.

Of course this is all assuming that what Dreger says is even reliable to begin with...

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04-30-2012, 10:12 AM
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When he still was a Leaf, the team was toying around the idea of having him center the top forward line. So, if DDH, Plekanec or Eller was injured, maybe Kabs would play up front...

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Maybe because other teams were offering 3rd rounders and up? All the sharks come out to play at the TDL, good on Gauthier not to be stupid enough to pull the trigger. I don't see how Weber has any value right now he basically lost his spot on the team, on a terrible defense. And White is a 3rd liner energy player, those are dime a dozen.

Of course this is all assuming that what Dreger says is even reliable to begin with...
Well if Weber isn't in the teams plan, he does have some value, maybe a 3rd round pick like you said, its better than nothing.

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Oh here comes the whining, because 45-50 point d-men are a dime-a-dozen in this league. OUTRAGE, I tell ya.

BUY HIM OUT.

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Also I don't understand how ppl are hating on Kaberle so much.

22 points in 43 games with the Habs, only -6 on a bad team, and playing with Emelin and Campoli.

He is signed for 2 more years, pefect stop gap until is Beaulieu ready, and if need be, Kaberle can easily be moved, look at what the Wild got for Marek Zidlicky at the deadline, both are similar players, and similar contracts. Specially if you look at any offensive D-men in the off sense, there aren't any (look out for Widemen to get PAID). Keep Kaberle for a year or two until Beaulieu is ready for a 5-6 spot on the team, and then trade Kaberle for a 2nd+.

If we could just get a guy like Garrison or Jackman in the offseason.

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04-30-2012, 10:22 AM
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If we still suck by next year's trade deadline Kaberle can be movable then...

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Well if Weber isn't in the teams plan, he does have some value, maybe a 3rd round pick like you said, its better than nothing.
And that's why we keep him for now.

We need to revisit the trade option at a later time, while allowing him to up his value in the meantime. And who knows? Maybe he doesn't have a second half meltdown and he ends up actually being valuable for us instead and we promote him. Our defense is going to be better next year, with a healthy Markov, and that will take the pressure off a lot of players.

Kaberle I wouldn't trade either, just shelter him like I mentioned.

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04-30-2012, 10:28 AM
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Hopefully we can get a good coach to utilize kaberle properly.

Last year we had Pierre Gauthier and Randy Cunneyworth...

AT THE SAAAAAAME TIIIIIIIIIIIME


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When he still was a Leaf, the team was toying around the idea of having him center the top forward line. So, if DDH, Plekanec or Eller was injured, maybe Kabs would play up front...

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Anyone scratching his head over the fact that Tomas Kaberle is a member of the Montreal Canadiens? He really don't fit in. What should we do with him? Do you think he can bounce back?

His contract isn't that bad, though, especially with the cap going up every year. But that's still a very expensive powerplay specialist. I don't even think he should log any 5vs5 ice time. Perhaps can we ride a 7dman unit next year, trying to lure the big shutdown defenceman we're missing so much? I'm thinking Colin White, Douglas Murray, Luke Schenn...

Alexei Emelin - Andrei Markov
Josh Gorges - PK Subban
Douglas Murray - Rafael Diaz
Tomas Kaberle
Can you imagine Douglas Murray and Emelin paired together? KABOOM!

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04-30-2012, 12:04 PM
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We have Tomas Kaberle, which is about as desirable as we having chlamydia.
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get it.


Naw. Kaberle could be moved this summer to a team that needs to get to the floor. Maybe Phoenix for a late 2nd( at least I am hoping it's late because beating Nashville gives us a better position for their 2nd)?

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Naw. Kaberle could be moved this summer to a team that needs to get to the floor. Maybe Phoenix for a late 2nd( at least I am hoping it's late because beating Nashville gives us a better position for their 2nd)?
I think the Hawks would be ideal, their PP is sooo horrible, even with that talent, they have ton of cap space. Heck I think if we wait until next year trade deadline, and their PP hasn't improved, we can get a 2nd plus a decent prospect from the Hawks.

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Naw. Kaberle could be moved this summer to a team that needs to get to the floor. Maybe Phoenix for a late 2nd( at least I am hoping it's late because beating Nashville gives us a better position for their 2nd)?
Pheonix doesn't make sense, they just acquired Rundblad and are already stacked with youngsters. maybe the Islanders in a package with Gomez

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Why do people think he's unmovable?

Look at what Zidlicky, who is a year older and his contract at the time of the trade had one more season after the current season being played.

Kaberle will be very tradeable mid season next year, and if Markov is not healthy he's good insurance to have as well, because he's not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He brings a lot of positives to the ice.

I'm glad they have Kabs, I look forward to him having a big bounceback season next year.

I really like a Kaberle-Emelin pairing at 5/6, as I'm hoping that the Habs will sign Barrett Jackman and have him with Markov, and keep the Gorges-Subban pairing


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