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04-27-2012, 07:58 PM
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I don't think either of them are that type of player either. Kyle Beach has been known to play lazy...and that's the last kind of role a lazy player would want.

They need to find someone with the drive of Andrew Shaw, but the body of Beach, Hayes or Bickell.

As for Shaw - I agree that he is the best option until something else comes up.
I don't think Beach would have any problem setting up infront of the net on a PP unit with Toews, Kane, Sharp and Keith/Seabrook.

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04-27-2012, 07:59 PM
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Can't get positioning in front of the net if you can't even get/keep the puck in the zone to begin with. I think if you guys just listen to what the players had to say about it during the year end presser you'll have your answers. Confidence, no net presence, and thinking too hard about whether to shoot or pass. However, we've already had our obligatory "Everything is Mike Kitchen's fault" posts in this thread.

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04-27-2012, 08:13 PM
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He was tried there. Then he got 4th-line mins, and soon the press box.

Yeah. For a cup of coffee, in maybe 2 games. Just like everything Q does with almost all young players, with Kruger and Shaw being the exceptions. One could sense the frustration in Jayes by the way he played in the last game, and I don't blame him.

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04-27-2012, 08:15 PM
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We have much bigger problems on the PP than this.

I think our biggest problem is that we essentially negate the man advantage by being slow and methodical. Players don't move around without the puck (which doesn't make the defense think too much), players often take WAY too much time when they have the puck (quicker passes or shots), and there's often no sense of urgency (too much dicking around).

Another crippler is Q utterly refuses to Leddy, who is our only good/great pointman on the team, on the number 1 PP unit. Of all the things that pissed me off this year, and there were many, this possibly took the cake. We all know Leddy had his share of miscues defensively, but he is an absolute natural with the puck. He easily has the best shot (combo of speed and accuracy) of our defensemen, is the best puck handler, is the best at jumping into plays, the best at making decisions in the offensive zone, the best at knowing when to shoot the puck, just what the hell is/was Q's justification for not putting him there? Not only was he hands down the team's best option, it would have been putting a young player in a position to succeed and with that success breeds confidence. He wouldn't put him on the top unit yet somehow found it fit to put him out there in crucial PK situations when we (sometimes) had better options.

The reality is neither Keith or Seabrook are good PP qbs. Keith is a horrendous decision maker, can't get shots through traffic (ie shoots shots into traffic), and isn't a great playmaker with the puck. Seabrook has a heavy shot but it's errant, he is dreadful at keeping pucks in the zone, and isn't that adept at jumping into plays. Add this and the aforementioned together and you get one of the worst PPs in the league.

I'd say an effective net presence is is 3rd or 4th in the pecking order. Another problem we have is that our forwards, namely Kane, Sharp, and Hossa spend waaayyy too much time facing away from the net with the puck. Now obviously evasive or position based skating is somewhat necessary, but this team has a penchant for skating endline to the blueline with the puck and it often results in some backhanded pass. You should only face away from the net as much as ABSOLUTELY necessary, not every damn time you have the puck. How the hell can you pass or shoot when you are facing AWAY from the net, drifting FARTHER from the net, and without being able to see ANY of your teammates?

When you can't move the puck worth a ****, can't shoot worth a ****, and continually are moving the puck away from the damned net just what benefit does having a net presence provide? On this team not much.

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04-27-2012, 08:16 PM
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Can't get positioning in front of the net if you can't even get/keep the puck in the zone to begin with. I think if you guys just listen to what the players had to say about it during the year end presser you'll have your answers. Confidence, no net presence, and thinking too hard about whether to shoot or pass. However, we've already had our obligatory "Everything is Mike Kitchen's fault" posts in this thread.
Yep. Keith and Seabrook are worthless at keeping pucks in the zone. Leddy is great at it.

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Yeah. For a cup of coffee, in maybe 2 games. Just like everything Q does with almost all young players, with Kruger and Shaw being the exceptions. One could sense the frustration in Jayes by the way he played in the last game, and I don't blame him.
If Hayes played the way he did in the playoffs, regularly, he wouldn't have been scratched in the first place.

He should have been in over Brunette regardless.. but the level of his play when he played his first few games to his final few before being scratched were like night and day.

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If Hayes played the way he did in the playoffs, regularly, he wouldn't have been scratched in the first place.

He should have been in over Brunette regardless.. but the level of his play when he played his first few games to his final few before being scratched were like night and day.
There aren't many rookies that can look good playing 7 minutes in a game, with borderline 4th line players, and in a role that doesn't suit their game. He'd be better off playing in Rockford, the way he was utilized in Chicago.... and I found it shameful that Q sat him in the press box for as long as he did. The guys fresh out out of college. He doesn't need to sit for any length of time. He needs experience.

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04-28-2012, 10:42 AM
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Jayes played like **** after his call up and deserved the 4th line minutes and being scratched. If he would have played like Game 6 before he would have been in the Top 6 going into the POs

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04-28-2012, 12:54 PM
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I'm not convinced Hayes wants that role. His interest in physical play seems to come and go.
Too bad. Sharp prefers wing and Byfuglien preferred defense. But in our Cup winning year they were taken out of their comfort zones and put in roles that would help the team. Look how that ended up.

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04-28-2012, 03:16 PM
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In your face,

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,3405776.story

"With 3:54 left, Fleischmann had a look at an open net but pushed his shot wide when he was interfered with. That led to one more power-play opportunity for the Panthers.

That's all they would need as 16 seconds later Marcel Goc knocked in a wide rebound of a Fleischmann shot with Tomas Kopecky draped over Brodeur for a 2-2 tie. It was Goc's second goal and fifth point of the series to set up the series' second straight overtime game."
I can quote a Brunette PP goal description if you'd like. Would that mean Brunette solved our PP woes? Didn't think so

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I can quote a Brunette PP goal description if you'd like. Would that mean Brunette solved our PP woes? Didn't think so
I think you missed his point.

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04-30-2012, 10:19 AM
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There were several problems with the PP including:
-Lack of net front presence
-Difficulty with entry into the zone
-Losing face-offs
-Poor passing, or too much passing
-Lack of one-timers...instead of one-timing the puck the d-men seemed to always receive the pass and settle the puck down first, allowing the PK'ers time to get back in the shooting lanes and allowing the goalie to get into position as well.
-Kitchen

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04-30-2012, 10:39 AM
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Jayes played like **** after his call up and deserved the 4th line minutes and being scratched. If he would have played like Game 6 before he would have been in the Top 6 going into the POs
If he plays like **** send him down. Having him on the 4th line or in the press box hurts his development and thus the team and organization. Awful player management.

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04-30-2012, 12:09 PM
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Well it is amazing how a set-up "little guy' can look sogood on a pp WHEN HE HAS A lethal one-timer guy to feed (ST. Louis to Stamkos)-BUT how useless a "little guy feeder" (KANE) can be in the PP is the absence of a great one-timer on the PP unit with him.....Somehow Stamlos is always open and free for these "shot" goals wheras our forwards are always covered --BUT even if they were not covered one doubts they can hit thesuiide of a barn door form 5 feet out---how many mussed shots--that is WHEN they actually do shoot? THEN you have the issue of our D-men who can't get shots through or are even worse than our forwards in shotsvthat do get through not hitting the net....THIS THEN implies that any PP withv a lousy "shooter" on it that gets featured PP minutes is a big WASTE...so let me see which forward at a costly $6.3 million is a WATE on the PP because of lousy shooting % --I think we know who --he wears #88..Would any other team daring to say it had a good PP use
a 9.1% shooter on the wing? I DON"T THINK SO!


SO we have 4 major problems with the PP"

1. Kane and his lousy shooting %...

2. No one-timer specialist --NO STAMKOS!

3. Inept D-men at the points--can't get shots through and accurate if they do get through-a double wammy of ineptitude..

4. Entering the zone---too much wasted time to get set up in the o-zone..well see what gettring rid of Campbell cost the team?


Anyway--add up all 4 items and it explains everything...


You can't fix all 4 "immediately" -but you can start with some improvement by fixing some of the problems ASAP then addressing the remainder over more time..THUS we are not likely to go from bottomfeeders in PP efficiency right to the top level -but we can first improve to at least mid-pack as a first goal to get the PP better...Since #2 on the list is least likely,I suggest fixing issues #1,3,and/or 4 as quickly as possible... Obviously the easiest improvement is to remove that 9.1% wasted shooter from the featured wing position ---find a "shooter" in the mid-teens % and that right there can be an immediate improvement in efficiency if the same opportunity for equal shots is given and performed..SIMPLE.

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04-30-2012, 01:10 PM
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Wait, are you insinuating that we should get those 2 players back? Or just saying net presence is missing? Because I thought the latter was a well known fact and it doesn't really need it's own thread.

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