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04-29-2012, 09:49 PM
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FORWARDS
Teddy Purcell ($2.363m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Ryan Malone ($4.500m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / J.T. Brown ($1.350m)
Cory Conacher ($0.871m) / Alexander Killorn ($0.875m) / Dana Tyrell ($0.600m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Adam Hall ($0.600m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.000m) / Eric Brewer ($3.875m)
Victor Hedman ($4.000m) / Dennis Wideman ($4.000m)
Jason Garrison ($0.975m) / Marc-Andre Bergeron ($1.000m)
Brian Lee ($0.971m) / Slava Voynov ($0.817m)
Mattias Ohlund ($3.607m) / Keith Aulie ($0.578m)
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Jonathan Bernier ($1.250m)
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CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $249,751


I'm drunk and gave it a shot.

Assuming Connolly + something nice for Bernier and Voynov.

Sign Suter, Wideman and Garrison. Resign Lee and Aulie. Promote Killorn and Conacher.
I like your drunk enthusiasm but you have like 10 D, Garrison making less than 1 mil and on the bottom pair so I'm sure he'll come here for that. If we got Voynov there's no need for Wideman.

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04-29-2012, 11:24 PM
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No disrespect, but there is no way in hell Garrison signs for 975k. He was asking for something like 4m from florida.

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I meant to take Garrison out when I added Wideman, but he was asking $4mil for real? I didn't realize that. Wow.

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Teddy Purcell ($2.363m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Ryan Malone ($4.500m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / J.T. Brown ($1.350m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.125m) / Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) / Cory Conacher ($0.871m)
Tim Wallace ($0.750m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Dana Tyrell ($0.600m)
Pierre-Cedric Labrie ($0.525m) / Alexander Killorn ($0.875m) /
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Victor Hedman ($4.000m) / Dennis Wideman ($4.250m)
Barret Jackman ($3.250m) / Eric Brewer ($3.875m)
Brian Lee ($1.150m) / Marc-Andre Bergeron ($1.000m)
Keith Aulie ($0.750m) /
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Jonathan Bernier ($1.250m)
Mathieu Garon ($1.300m)
BUYOUTS
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $57,302,690; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $6,997,310

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04-30-2012, 06:25 AM
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No disrespect, but there is no way in hell Garrison signs for 975k. He was asking for something like 4m from florida.
The same Florida team that didn't want to sign Erik Gudbranson because he wanted the ELC maximum?

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The same Florida team that didn't want to sign Erik Gudbranson because he wanted the ELC maximum?
He'll get close to 4 mil from somebody, I think he's too risky for us.

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The same Florida team that didn't want to sign Erik Gudbranson because he wanted the ELC maximum?
Not sure what you're getting at, unless you're just being a joker again.

If we could get him under 3m... i'd take him.

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Not sure what you're getting at, unless you're just being a joker again.

If we could get him under 3m... i'd take him.
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It's bolded in the actual article.

3M is way too much for Garrison IMO. He came out of nowhere to put up big numbers this season, but there's not a whole lot to go on that he will continue at that pace.

Surprise breakout players are never worth as much as a guy that's been on the radar to do so. It's a case of overachieving vs. meeting expectations.


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Teddy Purcell ($2.363m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Cory Conacher ($0.871m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Brett Connolly ($1.633m)
Dustin Penner ($2.250m) / Chris Kelly ($3.000m) / Ryan Malone ($4.500m)
J.T. Brown ($1.350m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Dana Tyrell ($0.600m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) /
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Victor Hedman ($4.000m) / Eric Brewer ($3.875m)
Matt Carle ($4.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Keith Aulie ($0.578m) / Brian Lee ($0.971m)
Marc-Andre Bergeron ($1.000m) /
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Jonathan Bernier ($1.250m)
Riku Helenius ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
Vinny Prospal ($1.167m)
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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,109,773; BONUSES: $1,600,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,190,227



I gave it a shot.

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I know its unlikely that Kelly leaves Boston but I thought he'd be a good third line C with upside. Most people aren't a fan of Penner but maybe a change of scenery is all he needs. (Considered Hudler in that position with the possibility of moving into the top 6 if Conacher does not succeed).
I believe if Connolly has another successful offseason, he will be fit for a top 6 roll. (Even though most people believe he could use some time in the ahl).
Carle and Stuart are self explanatory. We need help at d. Trade for Bernier and have Garon part of the package going to LA. I've been impressed with Helenius this season and I believe he could be a solid backup. (If this experiment fails, recall Tik)

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
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Teddy Purcell ($2.363m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Cory Conacher ($0.871m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Brett Connolly ($1.633m)
Dustin Penner ($2.250m) / Chris Kelly ($3.000m) / Ryan Malone ($4.500m)
J.T. Brown ($1.350m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Dana Tyrell ($0.600m)
Tom Pyatt ($0.600m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Victor Hedman ($4.000m) / Eric Brewer ($3.875m)
Matt Carle ($4.000m) / Brad Stuart ($3.750m)
Keith Aulie ($0.578m) / Brian Lee ($0.971m)
Marc-Andre Bergeron ($1.000m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($1.250m)
Riku Helenius ($0.600m)
BUYOUTS
Vinny Prospal ($1.167m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,109,773; BONUSES: $1,600,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,190,227



I gave it a shot.

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I know its unlikely that Kelly leaves Boston but I thought he'd be a good third line C with upside. Most people aren't a fan of Penner but maybe a change of scenery is all he needs. (Considered Hudler in that position with the possibility of moving into the top 6 if Conacher does not succeed).
I believe if Connolly has another successful offseason, he will be fit for a top 6 roll. (Even though most people believe he could use some time in the ahl).
Carle and Stuart are self explanatory. We need help at d. Trade for Bernier and have Garon part of the package going to LA. I've been impressed with Helenius this season and I believe he could be a solid backup. (If this experiment fails, recall Tik)
Not to bash your projecting but you have a severely high priced 3rd line. Stuart is going to a west coast team and we traded Matt Carle after 11 games, not sure how he feels about us. I think our fowards are set if we resign our RFA's and the AHL'ers continue to improve and have a good camp. The D needs 1 more good piece to me, not 2 ok ones.

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04-30-2012, 05:11 PM
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Yzerman will not waste money/assets on forwards. I doubt he will sign any big names at all.

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I doubt Brad Stuart would sign with Tampa. If he's leaving Detroit, he's likely going to California. He's wife and family leave there.

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I redid one on capgeek. It's a bit different. I actually think this is possible.

http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster.php?id=2030

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FORWARDS
Ryan Malone ($4.500m) / Steven Stamkos ($7.500m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Cory Conacher ($0.871m) / Vincent Lecavalier ($7.727m) / Teddy Purcell ($2.363m)
Alexander Killorn ($0.875m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / J.T. Brown ($1.350m)
Dana Tyrell ($0.600m) / Nate Thompson ($0.900m) / Tom Pyatt ($0.600m)
Adam Hall ($0.600m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Victor Hedman ($4.000m) / Dan Boyle ($6.667m)
Eric Brewer ($3.875m) / Brian Lee ($0.850m)
Brendan Mikkelson ($0.750m) / Marc-Andre Bergeron ($1.000m)
Keith Aulie ($0.750m) / Mark Barberio ($0.580m)

GOALTENDERS
Tomas Vokoun ($4.000m)
Mathieu Garon ($1.300m)

BUYOUTS
Vinny Prospal ($1.167m)
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CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,350,644
I have a feeling that San Jose might be looking for a shakeup after getting bumped so quick in the playoffs. It might be tough to pry Boyle form them, but we would have quite a bit to offer since we won't have to trade anything to sign Vokoun. Boyle's caphit is pretty high, but it's only 2 more years (enough time for w/e dman we pick with our 1st to make the top4).

Forward core doesn't really need any additions besides a 3rd line center. We had 5 20 goal scorers and will have Brown/Connolly/Killorn/Conacher competing for that last top 6 spot. Bottom 6 can easily be filled out by current bottom 6 players as well as some former norfolk players (like Killorn).

Note: Connolly isn't on this list because he's in Norfolk, not b/c of a trade. The only way I think he stays on the Bolts roster is if he makes a top 6 spot, otherwise he goes to Norfolk to play top line minutes there.

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I redid one on capgeek. It's a bit different. I actually think this is possible.

http://capgeek.com/cap-calculator/roster.php?id=2030



I have a feeling that San Jose might be looking for a shakeup after getting bumped so quick in the playoffs. It might be tough to pry Boyle form them, but we would have quite a bit to offer since we won't have to trade anything to sign Vokoun. Boyle's caphit is pretty high, but it's only 2 more years (enough time for w/e dman we pick with our 1st to make the top4).

Forward core doesn't really need any additions besides a 3rd line center. We had 5 20 goal scorers and will have Brown/Connolly/Killorn/Conacher competing for that last top 6 spot. Bottom 6 can easily be filled out by current bottom 6 players as well as some former norfolk players (like Killorn).

Note: Connolly isn't on this list because he's in Norfolk, not b/c of a trade. The only way I think he stays on the Bolts roster is if he makes a top 6 spot, otherwise he goes to Norfolk to play top line minutes there.
I see you have Boyle and everyone on our roster and Connolly in the AHL, how would we acquire him then? I also would rather get someone much younger with more years away from UFA for a cap hit like that. We could probably get Suter for an extra mil. I don't see Connolly in the AHL, he didn't look out of place last year, I'd rather have him get 3rd line NHL minutes than 1st line AHL. I also don't think we should resign Hall, I'd rather resign Wallace he looked pretty good in his appearances.

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I see you have Boyle and everyone on our roster and Connolly in the AHL, how would we acquire him then? I also would rather get someone much younger with more years away from UFA for a cap hit like that. We could probably get Suter for an extra mil. I don't see Connolly in the AHL, he didn't look out of place last year, I'd rather have him get 3rd line NHL minutes than 1st line AHL. I also don't think we should resign Hall, I'd rather resign Wallace he looked pretty good in his appearances.
Wallace is a career AHLer who will do well in short spans of time. Hall belongs in the NHL as a fourth liner.

The bottom six is the only thing that should really concern us. The only change in the top six would be if Connolly is in the NHL or not and I think he will be and if he isn't I expect Conacher to fill his role (and vice versa). Right now this is what I have the bottom six looking like:

Killorn - Pyatt - Brown
Tyrell - Thompson - Hall

I really hope we sign Jarret Stoll. Not only would he slot in perfectly as the third line center but he can also mentor the many center prospects we have in his ways (Faceoffs, defensive play, etc.) and that will real benefit us in the future when Lecavalier eventually retires.

If we don't sign Stoll than we still have a decent bottom six. How does everyone think Pyatt can do in a third line center role for a year?

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I see you have Boyle and everyone on our roster and Connolly in the AHL, how would we acquire him then?
Prospects or picks, maybe even Det's 1st. The only way we even get him is if San Jose is looking to move him, otherwise they'll probably turn down anything we'd be willing to give up. If they are looking to trade him they might take an offer for a little less than he's worth. They are pretty tight on cap space and if they are looking to bring in someone big(Nash?), they'd need to move someone.

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I also would rather get someone much younger with more years away from UFA for a cap hit like that.
Of course someone younger would be nice, but options are pretty limited. That someone younger could be the defenseman we draft with the 10th overall. When Boyle's contract is up will be about the time that guy is ready for the NHL.

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We could probably get Suter for an extra mil.
Maybe, we wont be the only team trying to sign Suter though, he'll have his pick of what ever team he wants to go to. The deal Suter signs might only be about a mil more, but the length will probably be a lot longer than 2 years. Sounds good now, but keep in mind if Hedman becomes the elite Dman we expect him to be his next contract will be big too.

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I don't see Connolly in the AHL, he didn't look out of place last year, I'd rather have him get 3rd line NHL minutes than 1st line AHL.
At the end of the season Connolly did look pretty good. For most of the year though it seemed hit or miss to me. If he's going to be playing on the 3rd line he'll need to be able to play pretty well defensively, which is where one of his biggest problems was this year. I'm not saying he's a bad player or anything, I think he is gonna be very good, but he's only 19. The AHL might be a better place for him if he can't make a scoring line on the Lightning.

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I also don't think we should resign Hall, I'd rather resign Wallace he looked pretty good in his appearances.
Wallace looked fine, I've got no problem if he comes back next year. I just don't think he was significantly better than Hall as a 4th liner, and Hall is becoming very good on the faceoff.

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Wallace is a career AHLer who will do well in short spans of time. Hall belongs in the NHL as a fourth liner.

The bottom six is the only thing that should really concern us. The only change in the top six would be if Connolly is in the NHL or not and I think he will be and if he isn't I expect Conacher to fill his role (and vice versa). Right now this is what I have the bottom six looking like:

Killorn - Pyatt - Brown
Tyrell - Thompson - Hall

I really hope we sign Jarret Stoll. Not only would he slot in perfectly as the third line center but he can also mentor the many center prospects we have in his ways (Faceoffs, defensive play, etc.) and that will real benefit us in the future when Lecavalier eventually retires.

If we don't sign Stoll than we still have a decent bottom six. How does everyone think Pyatt can do in a third line center role for a year?
Jarrett Stoll will be too expensive as a 3rd line C, we already have 15 mil tied up for our top 2. Having almost a 3rd of your payroll go towards one position is not very good. Also on your bottom 6 we'd have one of CC or Connolly whichever doesn't make the top 6. Pyatt played C a little last year and wasn't bad, Connolly was a C in juniors so he could get some looks on the 3rd line. I wouldn't call Wallace an AHL lifer just yet, he scored a few goals in short work and his shooting percentage was close to 50%, he's also younger than Hall who missed a lot of time due to injury this season.

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Jarrett Stoll will be too expensive as a 3rd line C, we already have 15 mil tied up for our top 2. Having almost a 3rd of your payroll go towards one position is not very good. Also on your bottom 6 we'd have one of CC or Connolly whichever doesn't make the top 6. Pyatt played C a little last year and wasn't bad, Connolly was a C in juniors so he could get some looks on the 3rd line. I wouldn't call Wallace an AHL lifer just yet, he scored a few goals in short work and his shooting percentage was close to 50%, he's also younger than Hall who missed a lot of time due to injury this season.
I don't want Connolly playing bottom six with the expectation that he will be there all season.

I will explain to you an ideal situation but first I have one question; What positions does St. Louis play better at, left or right wing?

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I will explain to you an ideal situation but first I have one question; What positions does St. Louis play better at, left or right wing?
Good at both, a natural right wing.

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I will explain to you an ideal situation but first I have one question; What positions does St. Louis play better at, left or right wing?
I don't see Connolly on the bottom 6 all season, I see him, CC and Brown getting time on Vinnys wing and whoever has the most chemistry and production gets more time. It doesn't matter what wing Marty is on he plays great either way. I don't have stats to prove he's better on one over the other. I'm pretty sure though he's not going anywhere but on Stammers right wing.

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I don't see Connolly on the bottom 6 all season, I see him, CC and Brown getting time on Vinnys wing and whoever has the most chemistry and production gets more time. It doesn't matter what wing Marty is on he plays great either way. I don't have stats to prove he's better on one over the other. I'm pretty sure though he's not going anywhere but on Stammers right wing.
That all depends on how dependent we become on Stammer and Marty doing all the scoring for us, and the reaction time for teams to start focusing everything on making those two not connect.

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I will explain to you an ideal situation but first I have one question; What positions does St. Louis play better at, left or right wing?
This should be good.

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What about Teddy Purcell? Can we expect him to be on Stamkos's line ?

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What about Teddy Purcell? Can we expect him to be on Stamkos's line ?
Not sure. Obviously they were great together at the end of the season. But Teddy also has good chemistry with Vinny. When he's on a line with Stammer he rather assumes the playmaker's role - which is a little unfortunate because he has a pretty good shot himself. When he's on a line with Vinny he's more the sniper / finisher:



This is also why he's so valuable. He's got great vision and playmaking abilities but his shot is pretty good too.

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I dont think we will do anything crazy. Just a few solid pickups on Defense and we will get a pretty solid goalie. Which is all I think we need to get ourselves back into the playoffs. We know that once you get there anything can happen. As long as we have solid defense and a decent goalie we are tough to beat.

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