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05-01-2012, 10:12 AM
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That was not a mistake, he was right then and is still right.

The Habs simply did not need a goalie at the time. Looking back now and seeing how it turned out its easy to say it was a mistake but it isnt.

If The Habs had Kopitar or Staal and Halak right now you wouldnt be saying a word.
Except that Mcguire suggested that the Habs take Brule and only jumped on the Kopitar narrative much much later(hindsight is a great tool to make oneself seem knowledgable). So right on a needs base, wrong on what he would replace the Price pick with.

Also, he said the habs didn't need Price because of Huet, Danis and Theodore. All three eventually fell of the map, so he was wrong in that sense as well. Danis' career never went anywhere, Theo fell of the map and Huet had flashes here and there.


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Brisebois doesn't bother me as much as I thought he did at first. He's been in the league awhile, he's probably learned from the mistakes of people who worked over him and his own. People push his lawyer background as a negative but he's obviously a hockey guy, hence him working in the NHL for a while. The proof is in the pudding. He also obviously knows Timmins too, which isn't a bad thing moving forward.

I don't care anymore, all of this is out of my control and it will be a long time before I can properly judge this next move anyway.

Everybody's emotional speculation has been the best part of this new GM process.

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Marinaro's saying it's basically down to McGuire, Bergevin or Brisebois. Either of those first two names would get me excited, the last one would leave me depressed as hell.
Brisebois has by far the best resume. Bergevin might be good, but McGuire...

Let's just say that if McGuire is hired I expect the Habs to become a genuine laughingstock.

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Link Plz
Just read it on another Habs message board...don't know if it's legit or not, but it's quoting Michael Farber from CNNSI...

Edit: Found this...

http://www.cjad.com/Blog/HabsNews/bl...tryID=10378496

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I'm not liking that the author picked Francois Giguere for the job..
Me neither. Didn't he basically turn the Avs from a strong club into a lottery club?

But then, everyone is speculating but nobody has any real insight.

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That was not a mistake, he was right then and is still right.

The Habs simply did not need a goalie at the time. Looking back now and seeing how it turned out its easy to say it was a mistake but it isnt.

If The Habs had Kopitar or Staal and Halak right now you wouldnt be saying a word.
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If The Habs had Kopitar or Staal and Halak right now you wouldnt be saying a word.
But if they had Brule or Skille or Lee?

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The title of this thread feels the title of this thread feels weird.

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Except that Mcguire suggested that the Habs take Brule and only jumped on the Kopitar narrative much much later(hindsight is a great tool to make oneself seem knowledgable). So right on a needs base, wrong on what he would replace the Price pick with.

Also, he said the habs didn't need Price because of Huet, Danis and Theodore. All three eventually fell of the map, so he was wrong in that sense as well. Danis' career never went anywhere, Theo fell of the map and Huet had flashes here and there.
You, kind sir, are quite right. I am very happy the Habs drafted Cary Price. If Pierre Mcguire had been GM, Gilbert Brulé would have been a Hab, not Kopitar or especially Stall. And is this guy giving credit to Mcguire for Halak?

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Me neither. Didn't he basically turn the Avs from a strong club into a lottery club?

But then, everyone is speculating but nobody has any real insight.
Very true.. The author is just speculating like everyone else.. IMO at the end of the process Bergevin will be the guy getting the job.

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But if they had Brule or Skille or Lee?
Valid point.

It just makes me laugh that alot of you pick on Mcguire for the Price pick opinion but give him no credit for his right calls. He is the one we know the best because he is on the radio every day and te other guys in the running almost never talk in public. Its easy to pick on Mcguire cause we know his mistakes but dont know the others guys f-ups......

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Brisebois has by far the best resume. Bergevin might be good, but McGuire...

Let's just say that if McGuire is hired I expect the Habs to become a genuine laughingstock.
What hockey move is Julien Brisebois personally responsible for? What has he done that compares to Bergevin's help in building a cup winner? Rick Dudley said on the record that there were three and only three senior voices involved in talent evaluation in Chicago when he was there, Tallon's, Dudley's and Bergevin's.

Working for two organizations that were bottom dwellers last year isn't what I define as a stellar resume. McGuire's clearly a divisive figure, but at least his hockey record is public, and frankly I find it to be pretty good, understand why others are horrified at the thought though. But Brisebois' reputation seems to be based on projection. He has not done a single significant thing in the NHL that we know of.

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It's funny to read those comments as while the record may not have improved, fans (who chose not to ignore it) saw some changes on the ice. For one thing, the two men forecheck came back and with it, a more aggressive team instead of sitting back and defend all the time. It was also clearly noticeable that the defense was supporting the offense a lot more. Someone could tally the points by defensemen under Martin and under Cunneyworth to prove that. Same thing with the number of fights, standing up for one another, a factor helped by the arrival of Brad Staubitz and the return of Ryan White. So to say that nothing had change is... mind boggling. Was it more effective? The record might prove otherwise. But the firing of Martin was overdue.
Lol
We were forechecking more aggressively and fought more. Well god dammit, pop the damn champagne!
Our record was worst, we droppe down in the standings, were unbearable to watch most nights, but hey we were more aggressive.
I gotta hand it to you though, every time I think you can't post worse things, you surprise me. Kudos.

You didn't like Martin, fine, we all know that. You wanted him fired the day you heard he was hired. Fine. But RC was worse, by far.

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Brisebois has by far the best resume. Bergevin might be good, but McGuire...

Let's just say that if McGuire is hired I expect the Habs to become a genuine laughingstock.
Huh? There's a big difference between running an AHL affiliate and running an NHL team. The AHL affiliate is usually filled with players drafted and signed by the NHL GM and scouts in the first place. But we can definitely pinpoint which players were chosen by Julien Brisebois in T-Bay and Norfolk so let's have a look shall we:

- Marc-André Bergeron
- Dominic Moore (traded to SJ)
- Tom Pyatt
- traded Kari Ramo (best goalie in the KHL) for Cedrick Desjardins
- Alexandre Picard
- Jean-Philippe Coté
- J.T. Wyman


If Brisebois seems to love Montreal Canadiens rejects, why would we want him as our GM? Other than Moore, I don't see any of these above moves as being good.

I know you're gonna say that Norfolk had a ridiculous win streak this yr but like I mentioned above, Brisebois only brings in the plugs. The rest of the team is essentially draft picks and signings of the NHL GM.

And since Brisbois seems to continuously go after the same players from Montreal and Hamilton, it really makes me question whether he really knows any other players in the league.

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I think Bergevin would be a good pick...has been with the Hawks during their rebuild and Cup win...

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Brisebois doesn't bother me as much as I thought he did at first. He's been in the league awhile, he's probably learned from the mistakes of people who worked over him and his own. People push his lawyer background as a negative but he's obviously a hockey guy, hence him working in the NHL for a while. The proof is in the pudding. He also obviously knows Timmins too, which isn't a bad thing moving forward.

I don't care anymore, all of this is out of my control and it will be a long time before I can properly judge this next move anyway.

Everybody's emotional speculation has been the best part of this new GM process.
Chiarelli in Boston is also a lawyer... So...

Team Brisebois with a knowledgable hockey guy (Andre Savard, for example, or even Carrière) and he will do just fine.

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If we hire Francois Giguere im going to lose my mind.

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I think Bergevin would be a good pick...has been with the Hawks during their rebuild and Cup win...
I agree.. Out of the candidates remaining he's the guy I seem to like the most..

I like this little tidbit of info about Bergevin from the Globe and Mail article I posted earlier..

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Bergevin, a 45-year-old who was an NHL defenceman for 20 years, is known for his vast network of contacts and McGuire-esque encyclopedic knowledge of players

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If we hire Francois Giguere im going to lose my mind.
Me too but as far as I know he's only received one call so far and that's it.

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Valid point.

It just makes me laugh that alot of you pick on Mcguire for the Price pick opinion but give him no credit for his right calls. He is the one we know the best because he is on the radio every day and te other guys in the running almost never talk in public. Its easy to pick on Mcguire cause we know his mistakes but dont know the others guys f-ups......
You know why the other guys don't talk to the public? Because they work for a NhL team. They keep their knowledge to themselves so they can improve their team.
PM is a public personality. It's his job to speak to the public.

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Huh? There's a big difference between running an AHL affiliate and running an NHL team.
Brisebois has been an AGM for several years besides being an AHL GM. (And took a bunch of "Montreal rejects" to build an AHL juggernaut, incidentally).

Bergevin has only been an AGM for a year and his education is Grade 11.

McGuire has been an AGM for a month and spent the last 15 years employed for spouting stereotypes and narratives.

There really is no comparison here.

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I like this little tidbit of info about Bergevin from the Globe and Mail article I posted earlier..
Being described as McGuiresque in any way should be a negative, especially if it comes to knowledge of players (McGuire knows a lot of the wrong stuff about players: backgrounds, reputations, not so much ability and value). We'll assume that's not what they meant though...

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Brisebois has been an AGM for several years besides being an AHL GM. (And took a bunch of "Montreal rejects" to build an AHL juggernaut, incidentally).

Bergevin has only been an AGM for a year and his education is Grade 11.

McGuire has been an AGM for a month and spent the last 15 years employed for spouting stereotypes and narratives.

There really is no comparison here.
No comparison between Brisebois' record as an AHL GM and NHL contract specialist versus Bergevin's 20 years playing in the NHL, highly impressive pro scouting record that saw him oversee a huge turnaround in Chicago or about him being promoted by the Bowman regime when his former employer was fired? Because he only has a grade 11 education?

Right. Clearly nothing about the world of the NHL could've been learned by his many years working in the league. Whereas time spent in law school is FAR more relevant and stocking an AHL team with NHL rejects almost exclusively from your former org clearly shows the ability to build an NHL winnner.

As usual, your arguments are ovewhelming. Brisebois may be the best candidate, but to say his resume is uniquely impressive is just silly. His resume is thin.

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Except that Mcguire suggested that the Habs take Brule and only jumped on the Kopitar narrative much much later(hindsight is a great tool to make oneself seem knowledgable). So right on a needs base, wrong on what he would replace the Price pick with.

Also, he said the habs didn't need Price because of Huet, Danis and Theodore. All three eventually fell of the map, so he was wrong in that sense as well. Danis' career never went anywhere, Theo fell of the map and Huet had flashes here and there.
I remember that draft like it was yesterday. McGuire said he loved Staal and Bourdon for the Habs at that spot. Let's be honest, nothing to controversial there. Price, as much as I love the guy was out of nowhere, much like PK was, at least for me.

All this misquoting is really annoying. Not just for McGuire but in general. People need to check their facts as these statements that aren't based in reality become gospel and the next thing you know the misinformation is the base for an argument when it's a complete non starter. If you're going to after McGuire, I'm sure there's actually points you can make without having to make **** up. C'mon people.

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Chiarelli in Boston is also a lawyer... So...

Team Brisebois with a knowledgable hockey guy (Andre Savard, for example, or even Carrière) and he will do just fine.
Chiarelli is a lawyer from school but he's been involved in hockey for decades, unlike Brisebois. He was an agent, an executive and an AGM before he became a GM. Faaaar more experience than Brisbois had.

Brisebois is by far my least favorite candidate and I don't understand why any Habs fan wants him to helm a franchise that's needs a true leader to take them by the horns and rebuild the proudest franchise in hockey. If he's out best bet, we're ****ed.

Bergevin and McGuire from the names left in the running seem to be the best bet. Not too impressed with either but than again I wanted Nill, Fenton or Benning which looks like its not going to happen. All of which I think are superior candidates to the names remaining.

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