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05-02-2012, 03:59 AM
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Niemi + ??? for Nash?

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...-a-nash-trade/

I read this article and to be honest its true. Both teams would be getting what they need. Blue Jackets need a goalie and we need a top 6 forward. I know they probably would want more but what about:

To Blue Jackets:
Niemi
1st round pick
Freddie Hamilton

To Sharks:
Nash


Or maybe take out the 1st round pick and Hamilton and throw Clowe in there? I don't know about you guys but this article doesn't seem to far fetched. I wonder if some sort of deal involving Niemi and Nash could work. Only thing though is that would everyone feel safe with a Greiss and Stalock tandem. I mean sure after this season I love Greiss but what about Stalock? Is he NHL ready yet? I dunno about that but if this happens lets hope so. Thoughts?

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05-02-2012, 05:23 AM
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No thanks. Nash is massively overrated. He's a 60 point player getting paid nearly 9 million.

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That's not enough for nash

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05-02-2012, 06:05 AM
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I really hope we don't push for Nash, we would be much better off with 2 x $4 mil scoring forwards, then one "Superstar".

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05-02-2012, 06:08 AM
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Other teams would offer much, much more than this.

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05-02-2012, 06:23 AM
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Stop it. I want nothing to do with Nash. He's overpaid and overrated. I seriously doubt he'd put up any more than 70-75 points in SJ. He might not have great linemates in Columbus but he's not going to be the center of offense in SJ so there's less opportunities for him. I'd rather have Pavelski and his 60-65 points at 4 mill or Couture and his 60-65 points at 2.8 mill than Nash's 70-75 points at 7.8 mill. We don't need any more top heavy players. We need more depth scoring on the third line. Unless Marleau is going the other way(he won't waive for Columbus), then the Sharks would have 4 players making 6.6 mill or more. That's stupid. I was crying with happiness when we got rid of Heatley's 7.5 mill. There would be no money to get good depth players. When the top heavy top six gets shut down like they always do, the third line is gonna do jack**** again and the Sharks get bounced again.

Say no to drugs. Say no to Rick Nash.

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05-02-2012, 06:33 AM
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Stop it. I want nothing to do with Nash. He's overpaid and overrated. I seriously doubt he'd put up any more than 70-75 points in SJ. He might not have great linemates in Columbus but he's not going to be the center of offense in SJ so there's less opportunities for him. I'd rather have Pavelski and his 60-65 points at 4 mill or Couture and his 60-65 points at 2.8 mill than Nash's 70-75 points at 7.8 mill. We don't need any more top heavy players. We need more depth scoring on the third line. Unless Marleau is going the other way(he won't waive for Columbus), then the Sharks would have 4 players making 6.6 mill or more. That's stupid. I was crying with happiness when we got rid of Heatley's 7.5 mill. There would be no money to get good depth players. When the top heavy top six gets shut down like they always do, the third line is gonna do jack**** again and the Sharks get bounced again.

Say no to drugs. Say no to Rick Nash.
When was the last time DW didn't make a big trade following a playoff exit? Brace yourself, Rick Nash is coming. (winteriscoming.jpg)

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05-02-2012, 07:19 AM
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Damn the prospect pool, full speed ahead!

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Everyone here probably realizes that Nash is likely on DW's radar whether we agree with adding him or not. I'd be okay with us trading for Nash if it was ideal for us. Maybe Clowe, Handzus, Niemi, and our 1st for Nash, Mason, and their 2nd.

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05-02-2012, 08:45 AM
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I would love to have Nash but for the cap space to work another player besides Niemi would have to go somehow. That other player would determine if I like the trade or not.

Regardless, that is a tough contract for any team to take on.

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That's not enough for nash
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Other teams would offer much, much more than this.
You guys are terribly underrating ???. He's been tearing it up in Juniors and will clearly be a superstar.

(P.S. read the article, it's not suggesting a straight swap)

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Prospect pool be damned it seems.

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Good, I didn't want that first rounder anyway.

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Prospect pool be damned it seems.
Supports my theory that DW is going all out for win now until 13-14 (when most of the big contracts come off the books), and then, if no Cup has been won by then, DW will bolt to avoid the fallout, which includes a rebuild in the mid to latter part of this decade.

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Great strategy, DW.

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if the status quo remains and nash has to become a two way player here, do we really see his point totals increasing?

just look at the shot totals on the blue jackets, hes at least 200 above all his teammates. so they are giving him the puck at every opp. thats not going to happen here imo. hes worth about 5-6 mill in my eyes and hes getting paid way over that, and it only goes up as he stays here further pinching our cap flexibility every year.

if any of our top 6 go the other way for nash, we are in the same position we are in now. so unless we get nash and make another big splash somewhere with boyle for a tweener+ then i only see this team getting worse.

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Stop it. I want nothing to do with Nash. He's overpaid and overrated. I seriously doubt he'd put up any more than 70-75 points in SJ. He might not have great linemates in Columbus but he's not going to be the center of offense in SJ so there's less opportunities for him. I'd rather have Pavelski and his 60-65 points at 4 mill or Couture and his 60-65 points at 2.8 mill than Nash's 70-75 points at 7.8 mill. We don't need any more top heavy players. We need more depth scoring on the third line. Unless Marleau is going the other way(he won't waive for Columbus), then the Sharks would have 4 players making 6.6 mill or more. That's stupid. I was crying with happiness when we got rid of Heatley's 7.5 mill. There would be no money to get good depth players. When the top heavy top six gets shut down like they always do, the third line is gonna do jack**** again and the Sharks get bounced again.

Say no to drugs. Say no to Rick Nash.
Not that I'm all for Nash to the Sharks, but everyone keeps bashing his point totals and that he would only score 70 points with the sharks etc etc.

You guys do realize that only 20 players this year in the NHL got 70 or more points. 60 points in a season is REALLY GOOD! Not that many players can even get that. (granted 7.8 million for 60 points is a lot) I'm just saying, people seem to be thinking 100 point seasons are all that matter

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Sick of loosing out on prospects! Is San Jose trying to be the NY yanks of hockey?! Sure Nash gets a lot of points every season but thats because hes the one holding the team afloat, sort of.

No more giving away prospects!!


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Sick of loosing out on prospects! San Jose trying to be the NY yanks of hockey?!
Yankees have one of the best farm systems in baseball. Well, Top 10 anyway... even after trading Montero for Pineda. Analogy is invalid

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Well not sure this helps us;

- for the same cap. price for Nash we can get 2 players via UFA that can play
- we really need to keep the pick and prospects as the remodeling process starts in the next 2 years.
- adding another top player makes us even more top heavy
- I'd be up for dealing Nemo for a really good young player or decent pick, im not convinced that he's the problem on the team.

Id say no to this deal.

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Yankees have one of the best farm systems in baseball. Well, Top 10 anyway... even after trading Montero for Pineda. Analogy is invalid
Point taken, I meant the whole buying/trading for other teams stars and getting lackluster results.


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Speaking as a Detroit Tigers' fan, the Sharks prospect pool looks familiar in that sense.

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Everyone here probably realizes that Nash is likely on DW's radar whether we agree with adding him or not. I'd be okay with us trading for Nash if it was ideal for us. Maybe Clowe, Handzus, Niemi, and our 1st for Nash, Mason, and their 2nd.
I don't want any part of Mason. He's terrible. Beyond terrible. He makes Dmitri Patzold look like Nabby.

and I agree that I can see DW buring the prospect pool again for a big trade. Because if he doesn't get results again, chances are he's done with the Sharks. And at that point it's on longer his concern how barren the system is, because he's out of the job.

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As I see it, that article is based on the Kurz one I posted to the GM thread Monday. (PHT and others often "recycle" ideas from other sources)

Possible? Yes. But it's pure speculation, not even a rumor.

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Trade for Nash. Put him on the third line with Pavelski. Dominate the opposition with the slowest third line in the NHL.

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