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Gomez to be bought out? - Louis Jean on FAN 590

Sportsnet's Louis Jean was just on FAN 590's Brady and Lang show and mentioned he just learned that Gomez's contract would be bought out. He said this decision was made by Molson before Bergevin takes on the GM job. Very curious given that we don't know if there may be an opportunity for an amnesty buy-out in the upcoming CBA that wouldn't go against our cap.

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I'm no capologist, but I believe the Habs have some 18M of cap space now. How much would this add?

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Peculiar for three reasons:

1) as the OP mentioned, there may be opportunity for amnesty buyout;

2) why this was done prior to Bergevin getting his hands on the club (though, it likely was discussed in interviews with all candidates);

3) why add these cap dollars when a player may be hidden in the minors

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****ing stupid.

I hate you, Molson (if true).

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Burry him is the solution not buy him out...

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I find it hard to believe. If this is true at all, I am worried as it means Molson will be putting his hands on the hockey side of the operation and we all know how well things go when an owner does that.

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I wonder if Molson did this before Bergevin got into the GM's chair due to Gomez's popularity in the dressing room. Maybe he didn't want his leaders to be pissed at the GM right off the bat? I don't know.

I'm also hoping that if there is an amnesty buy out clause in upcoming CBA, maybe there will be a provision for a player who has already been bought out since they are still on the team payroll.

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Great, let's add 2 years on the salary cap of a non existent player. Thanks Molson I'll keep buying your product

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I find it hard to believe. If this is true at all, I am worried as it means Molson will be putting his hands on the hockey side of the operation and we all know how well things go when an owner does that.
Exactly.

Not to mention a buyout is terrible for a few reasons.

1) It rewards the player for playing like ****.
2) It cripples your team salary cap wise for years.

If this is true, I've got no hope for the draft or anything this team does with Molson as owner.

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would have preferred him to be buried in the minors...but then again, one must think about his impact on our future generation of NHLers.

I don't know, but I doubt Gomez is a great guy to have around...especially when he's pouting and riding the bus with 20 year olds.

Just my thought...hope it fits well under the cap...
fwiw, I doubt there will be an amnesty buy-out in the next CBA.

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I find it hard to believe. If this is true at all, I am worried as it means Molson will be putting his hands on the hockey side of the operation and we all know how well things go when an owner does that.
I wouldn't be too quick to assume this (overly active owner). I'd be more inclined to think the owner brought this up in the interview process with all GM contenders.

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would have preferred him to be buried in the minors...but then again, one must think about his impact on our future generation of NHLers.

I don't know, but I doubt Gomez is a great guy to have around...especially when he's pouting and riding the bus with 20 year olds.

Just my thought...hope it fits well under the cap...
fwiw, I doubt there will be an amnesty buy-out in the next CBA.
So then put him in the ECHL.

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3) why add these cap dollars when a player may be hidden in the minors
Speculation on my part but maybe this was discussed with Bergevin and he probably pointed out that many players don't want to come to Montreal for other reasons so why give them another. Burying a player in the minors will be seen negatively. Releasing him could build a little good will in the league.

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Paying him off could cost Molson less than if he sent him to Hamilton.

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Great, let's add 2 years on the salary cap of a non existent player. Thanks Molson I'll keep buying your product
Try 4 years. Gomez still has 2 years left. That means 2/3 of his ~$15 million cap space in next two years over 4 years. According to my math, that's roughly $2.5m per year over the next 4 years.

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So then put him in the ECHL.
or tell him to find work in Europe like Huet did. Or he can fill up water bottles and sharpen skates for that time

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Try 4 years. Gomez still has 2 years left. That means 2/3 of his ~$15 million cap space in next two years over 4 years. According to my math, that's roughly $2.5m per year over the next 4 years.
Yeah, he said add two years. As in add two years on top of the two years we already have.

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Try 4 years. Gomez still has 2 years left. That means 2/3 of his ~$15 million cap space in next two years over 4 years. According to my math, that's roughly $2.5m per year over the next 4 years.
and that's why I said let's add 2 years

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I'm no capologist, but I believe the Habs have some 18M of cap space now. How much would this add?

Bad Idea to buy him out unless it comes without a cap hit..

You swallow the pill and pay him the remainder of his contract (5.5 and 4.5M) 10M for the next 2 seasons by sending him down with no cap implications, and get 14.7M of cap hit taken off the books. Otherwise it will cost Montreal 2/3 of 10M or 6.666M spread over the next 4 seasons and still have cap hits of 3.5, 4.5, 1.6, and 1.6M.

Bad Idea to buy him out in the traditional sense of the word!

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Speculation on my part but maybe this was discussed with Bergevin and he probably pointed out that many players don't want to come to Montreal for other reasons so why give them another. Burying a player in the minors will be seen negatively. Releasing him could build a little good will in the league.

Or

Paying him off could cost Molson less than if he sent him to Hamilton.
Your second option makes sense. Afterall it is Molson's wallet. I still don't understand why he didn't wait for new CBA unless it is expected that an amnesty buyout clause would include provision for any player still being paid by the organization.

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He's definitely not part of the solution. Well done.

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Scott Gomez buyout from CapGeek.com

2012-13: $3,523,810
2013-14: $4,523,810
2014-15: $1,666,667
2015-16: $1,666,667

Those are the caphits for becoming years if they buy him out.

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and that's why I said let's add 2 years
Gotcha.

So $2.5m sounds like the cap hit for each of the next 4 years eh?

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Your second option makes sense. Afterall it is Molson's wallet. I still don't understand why he didn't wait for new CBA unless it is expected that an amnesty buyout clause would include provision for any player still being paid by the organization.
I'm not sure what it would cot to buy him out Financially but it only and I say ONLY because of the actual cap hit 14.6. His actual salary over the next two years is 10 million and not 14.6 how much more money would Molson be saving by buying him out.....I don't know

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