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[CGY] Flames sign Cervenka [1 year, $3.775M cap hit including bonuses, max. ELC]

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05-02-2012, 02:44 PM
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List of guys whose Cap hit is around his potential 3.775 mil cap hit.

Ville Leino
Brooks Laich
Dustin Penner
David Booth
Nik Antropov
Brad Boyes
Jason Blake
Wojtek Wolski
Chris Kunitz
Jarret Stoll


All except Stoll and Kunitz had a higher Cap hit than Cervenka will next season.
Assuming that he gets max salary and max signing bonus ($925,000 + $92,500), his "real" cap hit will be $1,017,500 (it does not include any performance bonuses).
For every bonus he achieves, he can make up to an additional $212,500.

He's not going to meet all of the bonuses, so he'll likely cost as much as Mikael Backlund, David Moss, or Lee Stempniak.

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05-02-2012, 02:45 PM
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Minnesota should sign Jokinen, would fit in well with the Finns

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05-02-2012, 02:46 PM
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Numbers don't tell the whole story, but I think that it's interesting to point out the following stats :

In 2010-2011 :
61 pts in 51 games
= 10 points ahead of Jagr, 24 ahead of Perezhogin.

In 2011-2012
39 pts in 54 games
= 12 points ahead of Perezhogin, 15 ahead of Frolov.

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I guess they could, but I hope they don't. Jokinen will be commanding a big pay-day (maybe taking a bit of a discount to stay here for family reaosons), and between Iginla, Cammalleri, Tanguay, Glencross, Baertschi, and now Cervenka, will there be room for Jokinen in the top 6? Even Stajan looked decent once he was moved up from the 4th line.

Besides, isn't the HF collective continually slamming the Flames for being too old and stuck in their ways?
They absolutely are. However, this signing has made it clear that the Calgary management will not go through the traditional rebuild and try instead to do it through the free agency market (which I still argue is a mistake and only prolonging the inevitable). So if you're going to be signing players like Cervenka, then why not go "all-in" and retain Olli?

Cammalleri - Cervenka - Iginla
Tanguay - Jokinen - Glencross
Baertschi - Stajan - X

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If you watched Calgary post trade deadline, it would be a surprise. Jokinen was a ghost down the stretch. I'm glad they appear to be moving on from him.

As for this signing, meh why not? Next year will probably be a write off for us anyway, so why not try a guy out who's had some success other places. 1 year is low risk.
Must be awesome to be able to see into the future. Can you tell me what next week's lottery numbers will be as well?

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Good signing by Calgary, can't wait to see what this guy can do here.

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Must be awesome to be able to see into the future. Can you tell me what next week's lottery numbers will be as well?
Oh yay ... this type of post. They're always so clever every time!

It's not hard to look at our team and determine that we're not going to be competing for the cup. Relax.

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It's a 'meh' move. It's only a one year deal so the risk is minimal. As well, his salary is performance based, so although his cap his high, actual salary is minimal.

This move all but confirms Olli's departure from the Flames. The Flames now have Stajan, Backlund, Cervenka as centres. Unless Stajan is somehow miraculously traded, this is the group we're heading into next season with.

edit: ive never seen him play or even heard of him until today. i am very interested to see him play.

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Damn. Parise's price just went up.

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Assuming that he gets max salary and max signing bonus ($925,000 + $92,500), his "real" cap hit will be $1,017,500 (it does not include any performance bonuses).
For every bonus he achieves, he can make up to an additional $212,500.

He's not going to meet all of the bonuses, so he'll likely cost as much as Mikael Backlund, David Moss, or Lee Stempniak.
How much he actually gets paid has nothing to do with his cap hit though. That won't be changing based on his performance.

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What is his status after this year? RFA? UFA? All-Star? Pariah?

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Damn. Parise's price just went up.
How, exactly?

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How much he actually gets paid has nothing to do with his cap hit though. That won't be changing based on his performance.
Well, Calgary can just ignore the bonuses.

Since the bonus cushion will be back, if he isn't going to meet certain bonuses, Calgary is free to spend that money.

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How, exactly?
If a player who has never played in the NHL has a 3.775 cap hit, what is an established star like Parise going to receive?

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Cervenka's signing..likely means a final so-long to Olli Jokinen. #cantsignboth
Oh well, we all thought it was a "final" so-long to Olli when they traded him to the Rangers...

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If a player who has never played in the NHL has a 3.775 cap hit, what is an established star like Parise going to receive?
This is basically a max ELC with max performance bonuses. If he doesn't hit those then it ends up nowhere near 3.775

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If a player who has never played in the NHL has a 3.775 cap hit, what is an established star like Parise going to receive?
It's an ELC. Much different from a comparables standpoint than a second or third contract.

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This is basically a max ELC with max performance bonuses. If he doesn't hit those then it ends up nowhere near 3.775
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It's an ELC. Much different from a comparables standpoint than a second or third contract.
How about someone edits the title or OP then? Bonuses aren't mentioned in either.

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Is this another Jeff Finger incident? "We had to pay him a ton, there were a lot of teams after him". Like Finger, Cervenka is a good player (from my LIMITED viewings of international play), but 3.7 mil seems a little steep

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And everyone excpet Booth and Kunitz would be labeled as way overpaid on these boards. It really isn't a bad cap hit at all for a 2nd line center. There's no sense it calling it good or bad until he plays the contract out, but a shade under $4 million for a 2nd line center? That's good value.
Booth is way overpaid.

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I like Cervenka. But I really have no ****ing clue what Calgary's "plan" is anymore..

I thought after iggy's comments and the decision on Brent Sutter that they were finally going for the full rebuild.

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It's a ELC contract so his base salary is $925K
plus bonuses. With the new CBA coming in they'll probably
will put the Bonus cushion back in so all in all
Low risk High reward signing

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I love this player, can't wait to see him on the big show. He completely destroyed the Czech extraliga before killing the KHL. I think he's here to stay.

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Is this another Jeff Finger incident? "We had to pay him a ton, there were a lot of teams after him". Like Finger, Cervenka is a good player (from my LIMITED viewings of international play), but 3.7 mil seems a little steep
Finger was signed for four years. That alone makes this far from another Jeff Finger "incident"

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They absolutely are. However, this signing has made it clear that the Calgary management will not go through the traditional rebuild and try instead to do it through the free agency market (which I still argue is a mistake and only prolonging the inevitable).
Why does this indicate that? The Flames have obviously scouted this guy pretty heavily since he plays on the same team as Ramo, and they liked what they saw. The deal is only for one year, and is structured in the same way as any other 'star' ELC. I don't see why this move precludes any kind of building from within, unless you were expecting a 'trade everyone and tank for MacKinnon' type of rebuild, which I would argue was never an option to begin with.

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