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05-02-2012, 03:08 PM
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It wouldn't have been any worse, that is for certain. As bad as our team d was, Fleury was worse. A goaltender with even a touch of puck handling skills would've been nice too. Probably could've helped out the likes of Martin and, to a lesser extent, Niskanen (nothing was going to help Lovejoy, imo).
LOL!!!! Lovejoy...OMG! that guy is terrible.

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A goalie who can help neutralize dump ins with his puckhandling would go a long way in this system.

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A goalie who can help neutralize dump ins with his puckhandling would go a long way in this system.
Agree, plus the Flyers would have thought twice then about their aggressive forecheck sending a minimum of two guys deep.

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I think we would've beaten the Flyers if we had a goalie that didn't let in so many bad goals and made the occasional big save, regardless of who that goalie might be. MAF crapped the bed in that series, and although we shouldn't point the finger solely at him, it definitely did not help our cause AT ALL.
It was still 5 to 5 in game 2 when he let out a ridiculous rebound on a 5mph shot that Jagr scored on with a fadeway jumper along the ice. And that's not even including how he couldn't make one ****ing save when we needed it, especially on the first two Giroux goals.

Don't even get me started on the shortie in game three after quieting the crowd when Staal scored. Somehow through Fleury magic, that was blamed on poor special teams.

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05-02-2012, 03:32 PM
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A goalie who can help neutralize dump ins with his puckhandling would go a long way in this system.
Is Conklin any good still? he was a pretty good puckhandeler when he was here. He can play as backup to Fleury. Fleury REALLY needs to work on his puck skills. I dunno if it's hard to learn or not, if it's able to be much better during 1 hard offseason of training, or 2 hard offseasons, then i dunno what this guy does in his spare time.

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He said he was joking like 2 minutes later.

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Pens could get more for those 2 IMO, although that would give us alot of cap space. I guess Subban signs a 4M deal in his next deal. But it's Rossi....
Just what we need, another D-man that doesn't play defense.

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Just what we need, another D-man that doesn't play defense.
You're way, way off man.

I've watched about 80% of his NHL games, and the kid is absolutely stellar defensively, even though he's still rough around the edges.

His only problem is when he tries getting too fancy in his own zone, which he'll iron out as he grows up.

He and Letang together would immediately become one of the better pairings in the NHL. I would absolutely give Staal up for a Subban +.

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Yikes. Subban is a ********. Would take some time to get used to it if he would come here. Good player though.

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Yikes. Subban is a ********. Would take some time to get used to it if he would come here. Good player though.
I am all for it, and trade for Hartnell and we have some bad a.. team again

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05-02-2012, 05:40 PM
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Yikes. Subban is a ********. Would take some time to get used to it if he would come here. Good player though.
It is Rossi, and he is just throwing stuff out there, but that would be nice.

Let's say Subban gets $3.25M. That saves $5.75M to put toward making a focused push for Suter.

Letang (3.5) - Subban (3.25)
Suter (6.5) - Niskanen (2)
Despres (.84) - Engelland (.567)
Bortuzzo (.6)

Cheaper and better.

And it gives Montreal 23 Million for 5 defensemen. Can't see that happening.

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It is Rossi, and he is just throwing stuff out there, but that would be nice.

Let's say Subban gets $3.25M. That saves $5.75M to put toward making a focused push for Suter.

Letang (3.5) - Subban (3.25)
Suter (6.5) - Niskanen (2)
Despres (.84) - Engelland (.567)
Bortuzzo (.6)

Cheaper and better.

And it gives Montreal 23 Million for 5 defensemen. Can't see that happening.
Sad thing is, next year's defense group has a 90% chance of being something like

Letang-Orpik
Michaelk-Despres
Niskanen-Engelland
Strait

I'm trying to keep my expectations low so I won't be terribly let down when pretty much the same group is ran out there opening night. If Paul Martin is in that group in place of Despres for same mad reason, 2012-2013 will be the least enthused I've about a Pens season since the 2003-04 season and maybe the most (least?) all-time.

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05-02-2012, 06:13 PM
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Here's what I'm hypothesizing...

Nashville does not get past the Coyotes. Frustrated with Radulov, they begin to explore trade options.

Suter wants to test FA and elects not to resigning.

Nashville needs a replacement for Suter...

Martin+Tangradi to Nashville for rights to Radulov and Suter

Sign Rads to Neal Deal, sign Suter to 5 year 6.25mil deal.

Sign backup.

Cap goes up to $68mil

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
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Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Alexander Radulov ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.250m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
Brandon Prust ($1.000m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Ryan Suter ($6.250m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.250m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Michael Leighton ($0.755m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,971,667; BONUSES: $0
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05-02-2012, 06:29 PM
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Here's what I'm hypothesizing...

Nashville does not get past the Coyotes. Frustrated with Radulov, they begin to explore trade options.

Suter wants to test FA and elects not to resigning.

Nashville needs a replacement for Suter...

Martin+Tangradi to Nashville for rights to Radulov and Suter

Sign Rads to Neal Deal, sign Suter to 5 year 6.25mil deal.

Sign backup.

Cap goes up to $68mil

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
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Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Alexander Radulov ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.250m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
Brandon Prust ($1.000m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Ryan Suter ($6.250m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.250m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Michael Leighton ($0.755m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,971,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $28,333
Do you really think it is best to give Radulov $5 million a year?

Do you really want him on your team?

Pens need playoff performers and that is the only argument for keeping Staal.

But getting Martin out and signing Suter would be just wonderful.

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05-02-2012, 06:31 PM
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Sad thing is, next year's defense group has a 90% chance of being something like

Letang-Orpik
Michaelk-Despres
Niskanen-Engelland
Strait

I'm trying to keep my expectations low so I won't be terribly let down when pretty much the same group is ran out there opening night. If Paul Martin is in that group in place of Despres for same mad reason, 2012-2013 will be the least enthused I've about a Pens season since the 2003-04 season and maybe the most (least?) all-time.
You may be correct. This site jacks with my mind. Makes me think of what could be.

The Pens have a lot of quality assets and a need to make changes.

That makes the possibilities interesting.

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05-02-2012, 06:41 PM
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Here's what I'm hypothesizing...

Nashville does not get past the Coyotes. Frustrated with Radulov, they begin to explore trade options.

Suter wants to test FA and elects not to resigning.

Nashville needs a replacement for Suter...

Martin+Tangradi to Nashville for rights to Radulov and Suter

Sign Rads to Neal Deal, sign Suter to 5 year 6.25mil deal.

Sign backup.

Cap goes up to $68mil

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Alexander Radulov ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.250m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
Brandon Prust ($1.000m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Ryan Suter ($6.250m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.250m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Michael Leighton ($0.755m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,971,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $28,333
The only thing I'm giving Radulov is a ticket back to Russia. He is a floater and a half(defensively). The last thing any team wants is someone who party's til 4am as they play for the Cup.

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Sad thing is, next year's defense group has a 90% chance of being something like

Letang-Orpik
Michaelk-Despres
Niskanen-Engelland
Strait

I'm trying to keep my expectations low so I won't be terribly let down when pretty much the same group is ran out there opening night. If Paul Martin is in that group in place of Despres for same mad reason, 2012-2013 will be the least enthused I've about a Pens season since the 2003-04 season and maybe the most (least?) all-time.
As true as that post is...deep down I still theres a better chance of:

Letang-Martin
Orpik-Michalek
Lovejoy-Engelland

Nisky signs elsewhere.

Sully-Sid-Duper
Kunitz-Geno-Neal
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Tangradi-Vitale-Adams
Park

MAF
Random $550k backup

THAT is what we all need to be able to accept come Oct 5th. Sully will be the new Guerin, Staal will become infuriated with the 3C role, Tangradi will not develop, Orpik and Martin will be just as bad, MAF will **** the bed in the beginning of the season but come into form about mid season. The back up will be good but not great. Penguins sit at 6th-8th. Power play suffers, PK runs high 80's%.

Not much will change...no deadline moves, repeat first round loss.

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Nisky is RFA, where is Despres? why in the world would Lovejoy stay with us?

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As true as that post is...deep down I still theres a better chance of:

Letang-Martin
Orpik-Michalek
Lovejoy-Engelland

Nisky signs elsewhere.

Sully-Sid-Duper
Kunitz-Geno-Neal
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Tangradi-Vitale-Adams
Park

MAF
Random $550k backup

THAT is what we all need to be able to accept come Oct 5th. Sully will be the new Guerin, Staal will become infuriated with the 3C role, Tangradi will not develop, Orpik and Martin will be just as bad, MAF will **** the bed in the beginning of the season but come into form about mid season. The back up will be good but not great. Penguins sit at 6th-8th. Power play suffers, PK runs high 80's%.

Not much will change...no deadline moves, repeat first round loss.
I think Martin will be back unless he says he would like to be traded. Nisky won't be let go unless someone wants to trade for him and gives up good assets. I wouldn't be shocked if Nisky ends up on the 2nd PP.

Lovejoy is still young in terms of NHL experience. He has a year left so he'll be the 7th man.

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As true as that post is...deep down I still theres a better chance of:

Letang-Martin
Orpik-Michalek
Lovejoy-Engelland

Nisky signs elsewhere.

Sully-Sid-Duper
Kunitz-Geno-Neal
Cooke-Staal-Kennedy
Tangradi-Vitale-Adams
Park

MAF
Random $550k backup

THAT is what we all need to be able to accept come Oct 5th. Sully will be the new Guerin, Staal will become infuriated with the 3C role, Tangradi will not develop, Orpik and Martin will be just as bad, MAF will **** the bed in the beginning of the season but come into form about mid season. The back up will be good but not great. Penguins sit at 6th-8th. Power play suffers, PK runs high 80's%.

Not much will change...no deadline moves, repeat first round loss.
If that happens, some combination of

I will be rather crushed. I'm just trying to convince myself that it could never happen, but some small part of me knows that it's a real possibility.

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If that happens, some combination of

I will be rather crushed. I'm just trying to convince myself that it could never happen, but some small part of me knows that it's a real possibility.
Hfboards does wonders getting the imagination worked up. If that roster is like that I may be convinced to bail on Center Ice.

Half the Pens games were on national tv last season anyway.

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Here's what I'm hypothesizing...

Nashville does not get past the Coyotes. Frustrated with Radulov, they begin to explore trade options.

Suter wants to test FA and elects not to resigning.

Nashville needs a replacement for Suter...

Martin+Tangradi to Nashville for rights to Radulov and Suter

Sign Rads to Neal Deal, sign Suter to 5 year 6.25mil deal.

Sign backup.

Cap goes up to $68mil

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Chris Kunitz ($3.725m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / James Neal ($5.000m)
Jordan Staal ($4.000m) / Sidney Crosby ($8.700m) / Alexander Radulov ($5.000m)
Matt Cooke ($1.800m) / Dominic Moore ($1.250m) / Pascal Dupuis ($1.500m)
Brandon Prust ($1.000m) / Joe Vitale ($0.550m) / Craig Adams ($0.675m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kris Letang ($3.500m) / Brooks Orpik ($3.750m)
Ryan Suter ($6.250m) / Zbynek Michalek ($4.000m)
Matt Niskanen ($2.250m) / Deryk Engelland ($0.567m)
GOALTENDERS
Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
Michael Leighton ($0.755m)
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SALARY CAP: $68,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,971,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $28,333
Why the hell would anybody want to get Radulov now?

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Why the hell would anybody want to get Radulov now?
I think he is going back to the KHL. He has done his best to kill his value in the NHL.

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Why the hell would anybody want to get Radulov now?
To replace the party factor Talbot took with him to Philly?

Keep the guys loose by getting smashed?

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