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05-02-2012, 09:12 PM
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We can make cap room if we have to. It's just a matter of rearranging the furniture.
Yeah, I'm sure Suter will be like --- yeah try to make cap room ... I'll sit here and wait whole other teams throw millions at me.

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05-02-2012, 09:19 PM
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Do not bury him in the juniors/ahl with our prospects. Do you really want our prospects to come in contact with this floater?? If you bury him then send him to Europe, or KHL.

Buying him out might sting a bit years 1-2 but 3-4 is not that bad.
Gomez is a terrible hockey player. But a floater isn't what I would label him..

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05-02-2012, 09:23 PM
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Yeah, I'm sure Suter will be like --- yeah try to make cap room ... I'll sit here and wait whole other teams throw millions at me.
You can make cap room after.

If the cap is at 66 mil you can be as high as 72.6 mil until opening night.

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05-02-2012, 09:25 PM
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TEN pages on a Louis Jean rumor regarding the status of Gomez and his contract.

Yes, I said it. A RUMOR.

some where in a far away place in his own mind, Pierre Gauthier was planning to put Gomez on waivers during the national anthem

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05-02-2012, 09:28 PM
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Enlighten me, oh great one.

Seems to me the concept of eating someone's contract affecting one's ability to spend is lost on the many a great HFers around here, but hey - I'm the one trolling.
It was mostly in reference with you saying that Gomez would prefer being sent to the AHL.

But the part about us not being able to spend to the cap is equally laughable.

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Yeah, I'm sure Suter will be like --- yeah try to make cap room ... I'll sit here and wait whole other teams throw millions at me.
You're allowed to be over the cap limit by 10% in the summer, so Montreal will have a couple of months to be in compliance. I'm assuming we sign him as a UFA in early July so I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing.

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some where in a far away place in his own mind, Pierre Gauthier was planning to put Gomez on waivers during the national anthem
American or Canadian?

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05-03-2012, 12:47 AM
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You can make cap room after.

If the cap is at 66 mil you can be as high as 72.6 mil until opening night.
It was an extreme example.

Who cares if we can go over the cap because apparently we can't send any players down because it's not classy .. We have to buy then out lol

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It was an extreme example.

Who cares if we can go over the cap because apparently we can't send any players down because it's not classy .. We have to buy then out lol
If buy-outs weren't the best/only way around certain situations, there wouldn't have been 29 of them on the books around the league this year - everyone would have been just demoted instead. That's 29 different scenarios from around (over?) a dozen teams in which it was decided that a buy-out, instead of demotion, was the way to go. It's about planning, direction, and the 50 contract maximum, not necessarily "class". Having said that, established veterans are obviously much more likely to get bought out instead of demoted to the minors, for reasons that have already been clearly and extensively detailed, here and other places. Or maybe there are people who think burying Gomez in the minors for slightly better cap relief as one of the 50 contracts is worth putting an entire year of possible development on hold for a prospect ready to crack the pro ranks. Can't believe almost the entire TSN panel seemed to gloss over that aspect of a team trying to rebound/"rebuild".


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05-03-2012, 01:03 AM
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It was an extreme example.

Who cares if we can go over the cap because apparently we can't send any players down because it's not classy .. We have to buy then out lol
Classy is two-way. If Scott's ever present smile had a few less teeth from grinding it out instead of sporadic floating for $7+ mil, this conversation would be moot.

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05-03-2012, 01:14 AM
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If buy-outs weren't the best/only way around certain situations, there wouldn't have been 29 of them on the books around the league this year - everyone would have been just demoted instead. That's 29 different scenarios from around (over?) a dozen teams in which it was decided that a buy-out, instead of demotion, was the way to go. It's about planning, direction, and the 50 contract maximum, not necessarily "class". Having said that, established veterans are obviously much more likely to get bought out instead of demoted to the minors, for reasons that have already been clearly and extensively detailed, here and other places. Or maybe there are people who think burying Gomez in the minors for slightly better cap relief as one of the 50 contracts is worth putting an entire year of possible development on hold for a prospect ready to crack the pro ranks. Can't believe almost the entire TSN panel seemed to gloss over that aspect of a team trying to rebound/"rebuild".
So he'll take the spot of a player who will in all likelihood never wear a Habs jersey? Terrible argument.

It's not like he'll take Leblanc's spot. Leblanc will be bumped to second line and whoever was there will be bumped to third etc.

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05-03-2012, 01:21 AM
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So he'll take the spot of a player who will in all likelihood never wear a Habs jersey? Terrible argument.
You wanna know a terrible argument? Assuming that any drafted player that is currently unsigned, or even drafted this year, will never play for the Habs, or be more deserving of Scott Gomez's roster spot as early as next year, or possibly the year after. For example, if we draft Yakupov this year (let's just say), and he's ready to play next year, who is the first contract you'd let go to make room for him in the 50, if not Scott Gomez? And realize that you can't just "let people go" whenever you decide to, and that dumping a $500K 4th line plug, or $75K minor leaguer, doesn't necessarily also give you the cap space to sign a top 3 draft pick and his likely million+ cap hit.

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It's not like he'll take Leblanc's spot. Leblanc will be bumped to second line and whoever was there will be bumped to third etc.
I don't think you quite understand how the max 50 contract thing works...


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05-03-2012, 03:44 AM
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Nah no way he gets bought out. Makes no sense at all. They will just bury him in the minors or in Europe.

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05-03-2012, 04:29 AM
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Geez.. Just keep him. Give him erik cole and gionta. And never break them up.

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05-03-2012, 06:21 AM
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If buy-outs weren't the best/only way around certain situations, there wouldn't have been 29 of them on the books around the league this year - everyone would have been just demoted instead. That's 29 different scenarios from around (over?) a dozen teams in which it was decided that a buy-out, instead of demotion, was the way to go. It's about planning, direction, and the 50 contract maximum, not necessarily "class". Having said that, established veterans are obviously much more likely to get bought out instead of demoted to the minors, for reasons that have already been clearly and extensively detailed, here and other places. Or maybe there are people who think burying Gomez in the minors for slightly better cap relief as one of the 50 contracts is worth putting an entire year of possible development on hold for a prospect ready to crack the pro ranks. Can't believe almost the entire TSN panel seemed to gloss over that aspect of a team trying to rebound/"rebuild".
Not every team in the NHL wants or has the cash flow to send players to the minors(to get them off the cap) and still pay to the cap. For a smaller or medium market with a budget moreso than the salary cap, it makes sense to only pay 2/3 of what they owe stretched out over twice the length.

If Gomez was in Nashville and they felt he was no longer worth keeping then giving him 6.67 over 4 years is easier to swallow than 10 mil over 2 years. To them the cap is a non factor, they only used 52 of 64 mil available.

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05-03-2012, 06:39 AM
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Speculation on my part but maybe this was discussed with Bergevin and he probably pointed out that many players don't want to come to Montreal for other reasons so why give them another. Burying a player in the minors will be seen negatively. Releasing him could build a little good will in the league.

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Paying him off could cost Molson less than if he sent him to Hamilton.
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Really, the cap hit isn't ridiculous, I'm sure burying players isn't popular in terms of attracting UFAs.

Why is this a big deal? Obviously it would be best if Gomez retired gracefully,but I just want him gone. Period. It's a good thing.

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05-03-2012, 07:33 AM
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Keep Gomez in the lineup makes more sense than buying him out imo.

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05-03-2012, 08:09 AM
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Send him to the ECHL. Loan him to the Alaska Aces.

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Keep Gomez in the lineup makes more sense than buying him out imo.
He was a distraction the whole year. Not sure if keeping him is a good idea unless he can seriously pick up his game.

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05-03-2012, 08:17 AM
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Don't think I want Gomez to be a teammate of our prospects,he would be a huge distraction and a poor example(one day you too can collect 7 mil a year based on reputation and wear a silly grin).

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I think Bergevin will give Gomez another chance. They CANNOT buy him out, it will effect the cap hit. The only solution, is to send him to the minors for the rest of his contract, like Redden and the Rangers (this solution does not affect the cap hit).

Bergevin is warmhearted, and it's apparent he likes to give people chances. Yes, Gomez has been a failure (especially in his last 2 seasons), but this is now new management (hence, new leadership), and this WILL be Gomez's final chance. I think Bergevin will give him a chance for the first 25 games, and if Gomez is not producing (not working out), they'll send him down to the minors for the rest of his career. Hopefully now with Bergevin, and with a new coach that Gomez will do a 180.

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Keeping Gomez in the lineup isn't an option I believe, didn't he have a fall-out with management? He's a rotten apple to them.

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Keeping Gomez in the lineup isn't an option I believe, didn't he have a fall-out with management? He's a rotten apple to them.
I've heard this too but I'm wondering if anyone has an actual source. There were some pretty crazy rumours flying around - that he wasn't "really" injured, etc. I'd like to know if there's actual weight to this one.

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Isn't Gomez' official latest condition '' injured with concussion''. If that's the case, I don't think think any move can be made while he's on the injury list...and since buy out time is only a 2 week window, maybe that option won't be an option after all.

Best thing that could happen is that G-Love goes to the doctor and says he still has headaches and blurry vision!!!!!.......could bring game footage as proof and show all empty nets he missed !.....could also show all footage of his stoooopid grin on the bench when team is trailing by 4 goals.....that's gotta be some kinda proof somehing's wrong with the guy.......stay on long term injury list for the remainder of your contract Scotty, save everybody the aggravation...enjoy the recovery on the beach!

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From best solution to worse:

1. Trade Gomez away, without giving anything more (pick)
2. Convince him to retire
3. Send him to ECL, Europe and any team other than Bulldogs and Habs
4. Send him to Bulldogs Hamilton
5. Trade Gomez away, and absorb another over-paid player (ex: Penner, Redden, etc.)
6. Trade Gomez away, and give a medium to low pick
7. Buy him out
8. Play him in Habs jersey

I'll be very happy with option #1-3. I'm ok with options #4-6. I'll be upset with the last two options.

Is there any other option ?

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