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05-03-2012, 01:02 PM
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Can I ask some of you who follow the Russian team and KHL what you all think Tarasenko's role on the team will be this year?
Apparently none at this point.

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#Jets forward Burmistrov and #STLBlues prospect Tarasenko did not make the "set roster" of Team Russia for the Worlds, can be substituted

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05-03-2012, 01:17 PM
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Apparently none at this point.
Wow, well that's kind of disappointing.

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05-03-2012, 02:28 PM
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Patterning training, conditioning and practices after NA would be a mistake, in my opinion. Russian players need more intense and disciplined training to make up for the gap in the number of years that they have played organized and disciplined hockey, in comparison to NA players. What made Russian hockey outstanding at one time, IMO, was the unique regimen of conditioning and practice that made Russian teams stand out for their ability to play at an extremely high pace, and to coordinate passing and combinational play. Without those elements, Russian hockey lacks its unique elements. I am not advocating a return to Soviet training methods, but for the money that KHL players make, it shouldn't be asking too much to have them work harder than their NHL counterparts to improve their games.
I couldn't agree more. The good news is that it's only some teams that are semi switching (SKA, Western Europe Teams). CSKA still has it's Insanely hard camps.

The only part I disagree is Running. Soviet coaches overdid this aspect with LONG marathons, as there is a lot of impact on the joints, even the back- for heavy hockey players (since they are not feather lite like proper runners). Although it may be good in short term, it absolutely destroys the knees of the players, remember Bure, Fedorov, Tretiak- all had problem with the knees from running insane marathons.

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05-03-2012, 02:33 PM
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The first 17 Players:

G:
S. Varlamov
К. Barulin

D:
I. Nikulin
D. Denisov
E. Medvedev
A. Yemelin
N. Nikitin
D. Kalinin

F:
P. Datsyuk
E. Malkin
E. Kuznetsov
N. Kulyomin
A. Tereshenko
N. Zherdev
A. Perezhogin
A. Popov
A. Svitov


Unbelieveable that Tarasenko, Shipachyov, Korneyev, Shirokov & Burmistrov did not made the first selection.

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05-03-2012, 02:35 PM
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Which is why they should switch to cycling long distance. Still get the needed cardio, but get rid of the useless impact of joints.

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05-03-2012, 03:21 PM
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Very disappointing to see Tarasenko not make the cut.

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05-03-2012, 03:41 PM
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Does someone know WHY Tarasenko got cut? Did he play badly at Kajatbet?

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05-03-2012, 03:52 PM
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Did he play badly at Kajatbet?
speaking mildly he was invisible in the national team all year long.

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Does someone know WHY Tarasenko got cut? Did he play badly at Kajatbet?
No he wasn't bad but wasnt great either. I think they wait to see if some of Radulov, Kovalchuck, Ovechkin and Semin will be eligible. If not im sure Tarasenko will be added to the team later on.

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Unbelieveable that Tarasenko, Shipachyov, Korneyev, Shirokov & Burmistrov did not made the first selection.
Im really surprised Shipachyov and Korneyev didn't make it. Shipachyov looked much better then Svitov in the games i watched

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05-03-2012, 04:26 PM
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You guys are over reacting.

Tarasenko is not completely cut. Depending on how things develop with current 17 players and the NHL players still in PO, he could still make the team. Tarasenko, among others is going to stay put in Stockholm until its 100% that they can't make the team.

This roster is preliminary and is far from final.

Interview with the coach (google translate- beware):

What are the prospects of Vladimir Tarasenko, yesterday's youth team captain? He worried for a place in the composition.
- Properly agitated. Yes, he is a capable guy. But the World Cup - is a completely different level. You have to understand this is not a youth tournament and not KHL. Here, play the best players in the world. So he should fight for a place in the composition.

Tarasenko wilted because he left the "Siberia" and had less playing time in the SKA?
- It's not his playing time, it's his personal training. With him we have to work! Yes, there is talent. But it needs to be developed. Yesterday's junior can grow in the middle[class player]. Or become a great master. Depends on whom HE falls into the hands of, and what is involved [in his developement]. It's not just training, but also everyday life.


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Shirokov was cut?

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unbelieveable
Khl Stats


they are now just 4 free spots for field-players. we have now only 6 registered defensemens, so it looks like they are only 2 spots for forwards. i hope shipachyov + tarasenko will made it.

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05-03-2012, 05:04 PM
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Khl Stats


they are now just 4 free spots for field-players. we have now only 6 registered defensemens, so it looks like they are only 2 spots for forwards. i hope shipachyov + tarasenko will made it.
well hockey is far from just PPG, can you imagine if Bilyaletdinov used your stats for deciding his roster? lol

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05-03-2012, 05:16 PM
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Bilyaletdinov was notorious for relying on his veterans when he coached Ak Bars. So its no surprise the majority of guys cut are younger up and coming players.

Though I don't understand why Korneev isn't there.

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05-03-2012, 05:37 PM
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Bilyaletdinov was notorious for relying on his veterans when he coached Ak Bars. So its no surprise the majority of guys cut are younger up and coming players.

Though I don't understand why Korneev isn't there.
Yup, and he won a lot doing so, which is why he is the coach.

I do like that he obviously picked Kuznetsov, the guys showed his determination and worth, unlike Tarasenko for example.

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05-03-2012, 06:39 PM
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Yup, and he won a lot doing so, which is why he is the coach.

I do like that he obviously picked Kuznetsov, the guys showed his determination and worth, unlike Tarasenko for example.
What do you mean?

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05-03-2012, 06:45 PM
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Shirokov was cut?
Yes? No? Sorry for the inquiry. I'm not sure how I could check without referring to those of you with access to this information.

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05-03-2012, 08:06 PM
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What do you mean?
which part is unclear?

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05-03-2012, 08:12 PM
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which part is unclear?

I do like that he obviously picked Kuznetsov, the guys showed his determination and worth, unlike Tarasenko for example.

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I do like that he obviously picked Kuznetsov, the guys showed his determination and worth, unlike Tarasenko for example.
The coached picked Kuznetsov to be in the 17 going to the tournament, because he deserved it- and I agree with the decision.

On NT level, Tarasenko did not show that he deserves it.

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05-03-2012, 08:18 PM
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The coached picked Kuznetsov to be in the 17 going to the tournament, because he deserved it- and I agree with the decision.

On NT level, Tarasenko did not show that he deserves it.
Yes I read that. I am curious what you base this on, or are you just stating the simple fact that Kuznetsov was picked and Tarasenko was not?

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05-03-2012, 08:20 PM
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Yes I read that. I am curious what you base this on, or are you just stating the simple fact that Kuznetsov was picked and Tarasenko was not?
Well, it's simple- Kuznetsov put up points and created dangerous situations. Tarasenko did not.

I agree with it, because I think it encourages players who CAN but for some reason are not performing to step things up. Otherwise if Tarasenko had a free pass, maybe he wouldn't push himself to improve- which he needs to do.

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Well, it's simple- Kuznetsov put up points and created dangerous situations. Tarasenko did not.

I agree with it, because I think it encourages players who CAN but for some reason are not performing to step things up. Otherwise if Tarasenko had a free pass, maybe he wouldn't push himself to improve- which he needs to do.
Tarasenko scored more points than Kuznetsov in the KHL.

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05-03-2012, 09:17 PM
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Tarasenko scored more points than Kuznetsov in the KHL.
From the interview with the coach

What are the prospects of Vladimir Tarasenko, yesterday's youth team captain? He worried for a place in the composition.
- Properly agitated. Yes, he is a capable guy. But the World Cup - is a completely different level. You have to understand this is not a youth tournament and not KHL. Here, play the best players in the world. So he should fight for a place in the composition.

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