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05-03-2012, 06:58 PM
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Correction, Vanek is indeed soft
Yeah, that is why he stands in front of the net absorbing cross checks and guts out injuries. He may not throw big hits but that doesn't mean he is soft. MAG was soft.

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05-03-2012, 07:08 PM
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Yeah, that is why he stands in front of the net absorbing cross checks and guts out injuries. He may not throw big hits but that doesn't mean he is soft. MAG was soft.
This. Vanek finished the season playing with a fractured ankle

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05-03-2012, 09:34 PM
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Pommer and Adams for Staal

Miller, Gerbe and Nas 1st for Kane

Roy, Sekera for Dustin Brown and draft pick(i'd like a second, but i think they traded it for Carter)

Sign - Suter, Parise, and trade for Lindbacks (goalie nashville-RFA)

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05-03-2012, 09:51 PM
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Nobody on any team is untouchable for the right deal, after all Gretzky got traded.
gretzky got traded?

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05-03-2012, 10:46 PM
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gretzky got traded?
Wayne Gretzky was traded from Edmonton to the LA Kings the summer after he won the cup (and was named the Conn Smythe winner) with the Oilers in 1988.

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Wayne Gretzky was traded from Edmonton to the LA Kings the summer after he won the cup (and was named the Conn Smythe winner) with the Oilers in 1988.
Was the really needed?

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05-03-2012, 10:55 PM
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The Gretzky trade was because the Oilers had a cheap owner who wanted $$.

It had NOTHING to do with being an actual hockey move.

It really has very little relevance to today because cash in trades are no longer allowed.

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05-03-2012, 11:07 PM
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Was the really needed?

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05-04-2012, 12:41 AM
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Was the really needed?
I don't make any assumptions about what people do or do not know. If you want sarcasm to be evident then note it, as the internet isn't really the best in terms of subtle communication and I've always preferred the direct method of communication. Yes you'd have to live under a rock in the hockey world to not know about Gretzky, but again, I don't make assumptions... so why the sarcasm...

Not sure what the point of the sarcasm would be anyhow, I don't find it a particularly appropriate retort. The original statement was that nobody over the age of 23 on the Sabres roster is untouchable and I merely expanded upon that by stating nobody really is untouchable, given the right deal comes along or the right conditions exist for a trade to happen. Gretzky was just an example of that being a possibility.

Yes I am fully aware of that the Gretzky deal had to do with money more than hockey but it still is relevant, even if cash trades are not allowed. The conditions existed to precipitate the trade and it took place. Given those conditions were business oriented ones, but consider that in very general terms hockey is a business not just because of the cash assets involved but because the players themselves are assets or commodities. It's really that simple. So going back to my original point, given the right conditions and offer anybody on our roster could be traded.


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Going off-topic.



Maybe I'm misinformed, but hasn't Regier all but verified that Kaleta will be brought back next season as he's viewed as an integral player on the team?

Knock on Kaleta for being a turtle all you want, but he's turned into a solid hockey player. The front office sees it, too.
This. As far as being a turtle, he's the most annoying player in the league for a reason. Rather have that on my team then play against it (he would get offers). Pommers will be here for sometime. Not sure about the post saying he's going to retire a Sabre, but I do see him here for at least another 4+ years.
Also, Pominville doesn't get much respect, yet. Even though they aren't NHL GMs by any stretch, I know a lot of Rangers/ Devils/ Pens fans. They mainly just do it to bust my balls but they laugh at the thought of him as an All-Star this year. They don't consistently watch him though, he's an All-star in my heart.

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to be a solid player you need to be playing...
Your claim is that he is playing (or not playing) his way out of Buffalo. The front office disagrees.

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Correction, Vanek is indeed soft
Why would you say this? What is your definition of Soft? just curious.

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If Suter/Parise is only looking for a 5-6 year deal... then I agree. But at 27, they are going to have the ability to get 10+ yr deal, and that will bring that cap hit down.

All you have to do is take Brad Richards deal (9 yr / 60 mil / 6.6 per), and tack on 3 years at 4 million a year and you get a 12 yr / 72 mil / 6.0 cap hit)
I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL shot down a deal structured like that this summer.

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I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL shot down a deal structured like that this summer.
under what pretense?

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I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL shot down a deal structured like that this summer.
They didn't shoot down Ehrhoff's, and that had three years at the end where he'd earn only $1m per. Ehrhoff's deal:

11-12: $10m
12-13: $8m
13-14: $4m
14-15: $4m
15-16: $4m
16-17: $4m
17-18: $3m
18-19: $1m
19-20: $1m
20-21: $1m

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The thread topic is whether we should trade Pominville while his value is high.

Let's stay on topic.

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under what pretense?

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They'll come up with some reason that has to do with the CBA about to expire and how they want to close that loophole in the next CBA or something.

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Why would you say this? What is your definition of Soft? just curious.
I take that back. Vanek does go to the net and take a beating. Softness would be not tough, not a willingness to finish checks.

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I take that back. Vanek does go to the net and take a beating. Softness would be not tough, not a willingness to finish checks.
Ehh, that's a pretty narrow definition.

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I take that back. Vanek does go to the net and take a beating. Softness would be not tough, not a willingness to finish checks.
Alright, then by your definition he's not soft.

Of course to others, he's Soft because of his "effort", and his unwillingness to throw checks.

I personally think all Hockey players are not soft. Its takes a lot of toughness to make your way to the level of the NHL.

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The thread topic is whether we should trade Pominville while his value is high.

Let's stay on topic.
This isn't on topic but I like the new Avi.

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Serious question guys and girls....

Would any of you be really disappointed if Pomms, Roy and Vanek were dealt this summer, and let's just say for what their worth? Complete culture change. Would any of you be upset? These three have been the core the last five years. Anyone?

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Serious question guys and girls....

Would any of you be really disappointed if Pomms, Roy and Vanek were dealt this summer, and let's just say for what their worth? Complete culture change. Would any of you be upset? These three have been the core the last five years. Anyone?
For what they're worth? Of course not, unless the pieces they got back just make no sense in terms of team building.

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I wouldn't be shopping him, but if that's the piece it takes to move up in the draft to take a franchise player, I'd relocate the population of Pominville.

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Serious question guys and girls....

Would any of you be really disappointed if Pomms, Roy and Vanek were dealt this summer, and let's just say for what their worth? Complete culture change. Would any of you be upset? These three have been the core the last five years. Anyone?
I would be disappointed if we traded Pominville. If we got really good pieces back it would make the pain less bearable, but he's really grown on me. Vanek I would miss too I think, he frustrates the hell out of me, but he seems like he really cares about winning. Roy, I don't care.

We do need a culture change though.

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