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05-06-2012, 02:56 PM
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Depends upon who they hire for a coach.
the 100% positive thing is Berg and Dudley won't be icing midgets Habs team that can't defend itself .

...The Thrasher team (Jets) he put together was pretty big and every time they came into MTL looked like Giants ...This will be refreshing .



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05-06-2012, 02:57 PM
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Between that, and his history of rushing teenagers into the NHL, I'd be upset if he was GM... but as assistant, I have some faith that he'll be used for his strengths, and not to decide the greater philosophies of the organization. I hope, anyway.
Thing is habs have Timmins, Bergevin and Carriere for more evaluations. Not to mention, if habs upgrade their scouting staff a bit we can see even better results.

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05-06-2012, 03:01 PM
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Well, I liked his moves as Atlanta GM, but reading Willis's article now has me very worried. Picking a guy who's been quoted as saying "he'd be the anti-Moneyball" strikes me as exactly the wrong kind of philosophy the Habs should adopt.
Math Man, funny, I thought of you when I read that ans i said to myself, self, watch this, Math Man is gonna whine about the appointment. Was I right or was I right?

Bergevin, Dudley, Timmins.......God oh God watch by the end of next season, the Habs are gonna be stacked with valuable HOCKEY PLAYERS.

No more of this crap where Timmins drafts oodles of NHL players and the bozo twins, Gainey & Gauthier, sprinkle them through the league as if they were at a ticker tape parade.

Bergevin & Dudley are gonna convert redundant Timmins picks into players we don't have.

I love this news!!!!!!!!!!!

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05-06-2012, 03:03 PM
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Between that, and his history of rushing teenagers into the NHL, I'd be upset if he was GM... but as assistant, I have some faith that he'll be used for his strengths, and not to decide the greater philosophies of the organization. I hope, anyway.
What's great about this to me is that he's the AGM, not the GM, especially given that Bergevin's time in senior management is relatively limited. In PG we had a guy who didn't even talk to his chief amateur scout before trading away the org's number one prospect. In Dudley and Timmins, Bergevin has surrounded himself (if and when it's actually done) with exceptionally experienced voices at the pro and amateur levels, both guys who really could land jobs better than GM and director of development. Frankly I think we're lucky have Dudley and Timmins, and that as a group they are less likely to rush prospects or, worse, give up on them too soon than our previous management. Dudley's constantly put into situations where he has to save a floundering franchise. In Montreal he's coming onto a floundering team but a rock-solid business. The Habs aren't going to move to Winnipeg. In that context, showing lasting success in much more valuable than showing instant results. I think he's smart enough to know that. Expectations for an instant turnaround aren't high. We just want to see improvement. We'll be excited as hell about whoever we take at #3, but (hopefully) nobody will expect them to step up and dominate at 18 years old.

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This off-season's going to be exciting, that's for sure. The roster will be revamped by the start of the next season.

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You got a good one
He was the only piece i wanted the jets to keep when they moved here

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Math Man, funny, I thought of you when I read that ans i said to myself, self, watch this, Math Man is gonna whine about the appointment. Was I right or was I right?

Bergevin, Dudley, Timmins.......God oh God watch by the end of next season, the Habs are gonna be stacked with valuable HOCKEY PLAYERS.

No more of this crap where Timmins drafts oodles of NHL players and the bozo twins, Gainey & Gauthier, sprinkle them through the league as if they were at a ticker tape parade.

Bergevin & Dudley are gonna convert redundant Timmins picks into players we don't have.

I love this news!!!!!!!!!!!

Gauthier Gainey drafted and signed guy's 5 ft 9 or less, cause it's less weight on the plane, which mean less gas to burn?

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05-06-2012, 03:09 PM
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What's great about this to me is that he's the AGM, not the GM, especially given that Bergevin's time in senior management is relatively limited. In PG we had a guy who didn't even talk to his chief amateur scout before trading away the org's number one prospect. In Dudley and Timmins, Bergevin has surrounded himself (if and when it's actually done) with exceptionally experienced voices at the pro and amateur levels, both guys who really could land jobs better than GM and director of development. Frankly I think we're lucky have Dudley and Timmins, and that as a group they are less likely to rush prospects or, worse, give up on them too soon than our previous management. Dudley's constantly put into situations where he has to save a floundering franchise. In Montreal he's coming onto a floundering team but a rock-solid business. The Habs aren't going to move to Winnipeg. In that context, showing lasting success in much more valuable than showing instant results. I think he's smart enough to know that. Expectations for an instant turnaround aren't high. We just want to see improvement. We'll be excited as hell about whoever we take at #3, but (hopefully) nobody will expect them to step up and dominate at 18 years old.
I think there is some truth to that. Small market teams do tend to rush marquee prospects. It's just hard to know for sure, usually details about whatever pressure is applied by ownership never become public. I hope you're right!

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Does anyone think Berg at least tries to call over to say a guy like Alexander Perezhogin?

Say hey there all gone , it's a new page here etc.

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Well, I liked his moves as Atlanta GM, but reading Willis's article now has me very worried. Picking a guy who's been quoted as saying "he'd be the anti-Moneyball" strikes me as exactly the wrong kind of philosophy the Habs should adopt.
Well his anti moneyball philosophy and his work played a big part in Tampa and Chicago both winning cups in the last decade. I`d take concrete results , experience and an eye for talent over spread sheets and micro stats anyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Does anyone think Berg at least tries to call over to say a guy like Alexander Perezhogin?

Say hey there all gone , it's a new page here etc.
Perez hasn't really been all that good in the KHL. I'm not sure Berg would try to bring him here.

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How so? I think it's fine to have a pure talent evaluator. I also wouldn't mind if habs had another moneyball type of director/advisor as well.
That's sort of the problem. Being a GM is very much a numbers job, for the cap at least and ideally for the analytics. Yet Bergevin is expressly described by Bowman as "not a numbers guy" with an insufficient understanding of the cap and his first hire and ex-mentor is described as "the anti-Moneypuck". I'm not seeing an inclination to value analytics here, heck, I'm not even seeing a guy with cap skills.

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That's sort of the problem. Being a GM is very much a numbers job, for the cap at least and ideally for the analytics. Yet Bergevin is expressly described by Bowman as "not a numbers guy" with an insufficient understanding of the cap and his first hire and ex-mentor is described as "the anti-Moneypuck". I'm not seeing an inclination to value analytics here, heck, I'm not even seeing a guy with cap skills.
How is carriere in these matters? Legit question as I really don't know.

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Perfect. This is what I had been hoping for from the start.

Looking better and better each day. Next is the coaching staff.

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I have thought over the last couple of seasons, it seemed Dudley has been under-rated as an executive in the NHL...wow, this is good news guys...we needed some fresh thinking, and we are getting just that...

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How is carriere in these matters? Legit question as I really don't know.
Carriere's recent background before joining the Habs was in pro scouting.

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That's great! Hope we can pick him up before the draft though.

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That's sort of the problem. Being a GM is very much a numbers job, for the cap at least and ideally for the analytics. Yet Bergevin is expressly described by Bowman as "not a numbers guy" with an insufficient understanding of the cap and his first hire and ex-mentor is described as "the anti-Moneypuck". I'm not seeing an inclination to value analytics here, heck, I'm not even seeing a guy with cap skills.
But then, who says we won't hire on top of this a "cap advisor"?

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But then, who says we won't hire on top of this a "cap advisor"?
We may have to.

To be fair though, having brisebois sure helped with that gomez contract.

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But then, who says we won't hire on top of this a "cap advisor"?
Yeah, I was under the impression that they would hire a numbers guy either way.

I mean look at Toronto. They have Burke, Nonis, Dudley and then Loiselle as their cap guy.

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We may have to.

To be fair though, having brisebois sure helped with that gomez contract.
We never signed Gomez to a contract, we traded for him.

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We may have to.

To be fair though, having brisebois sure helped with that gomez contract.
Don't they still have Boiven's son? Thought he was the capologist?

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Don't they still have Boiven's son? Thought he was the capologist?
You are absolutely right. You hope that he does a good job and that's he's just not a name. His title is Director of operations, hockey. But that's what he does.

http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/l_fr/page.htm?id=74509

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That's sort of the problem. Being a GM is very much a numbers job, for the cap at least and ideally for the analytics. Yet Bergevin is expressly described by Bowman as "not a numbers guy" with an insufficient understanding of the cap and his first hire and ex-mentor is described as "the anti-Moneypuck". I'm not seeing an inclination to value analytics here, heck, I'm not even seeing a guy with cap skills.
I'm not sure why you put so much emphasis on that though. You seem to like to worry..

Worried about Bergevin that you let go a bit after the presser.
Worried about McGuire being the runner up (although I doubt he truly ever was, no matter how deep in the interview process he actually was. I don't think these guys ever thought, for a second, that the best man for the job was the guy that hasn't worked for a NHL team in 15years).
Now, you're worried about Dudley because he said he was the anti-moneyball.

Stop worrying buddy.
We will have people in place to make sure the number part of the job is covered.

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We never signed Gomez to a contract, we traded for him.
I think traded contracts also qualify as cap management.

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