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05-06-2012, 02:55 PM
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Goals are always hard to come by in the playoffs. There are goalies that have better stats than Lundqvist in the playoffs that are sitting home right now. There are goalies that have better stats than Lundqvist that are still in the playoffs. It's beyond stats. If I told you a goalie had a .885 save % and 3.00 GAA would you consider that great? Well that was Lundqvists stats on Saturday. He was MUCH better than stats show. In both losses, Lundqvist had a sub .890 Save % and a higher than 3.00 GAA.

It's about making all the saves that you should make AND those that you shouldn't You see it in every SC playoff, a goalie that goes out and shuts teams down. Two goalies that I look at now that scare me are Mike Smith and Johnathan Quick. They are carrying their teams on their back.

To use a pitching analogy, an ace will not allow the other team more runs than it's team will score. If need be, shut them out. I want Lundqvist to go out and shut out the Caps. Send a message that we will not be defeated, we will win and there's nothing you can do about it because you will NOT score.
But to expect that every game? I think that's a little unreasonable. He's already playing beyond a level I've ever seen. The problem with yesterday's game was the amount of chances we allowed.

Sure Lundqvist could've stopped the Ovechkin and Green shots. But why the hell were they so open in the slots? It's because we turned the puck over. Same could be said about the Backstrom goal (somewhat, Anisimov didn't really turn it over, but to be that unaware of who you are playing against is very mind boggling to me.) And it's not like we turned the puck over to a Boyle-esque player. We turned it over to world class, top 10 in their position players (maybe not Green ). When you do that, unfortunately, they are going to bury their chances.

P.S. -- Offensively I would say Green is a top 10 defensemen, just not overall.

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05-06-2012, 03:09 PM
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I think the suspension messed with Hag's game.

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Lundy was outstanding at many points today but he can't give up goals like that(Ovechkin and Green)....they are momentum changers....not just in a game but also a series. The Caps were given new life and were flying after the first goal.

I still have confidence in winning this series.

As far as criticizing, I want Lundqvist to be lights out and be a Stanley Cup winning goalie. To think about all the great goalies in NHL History, many were unbeatable and raised their level of play in the SC playoffs. Lundy has been beatable so far, I agree the Rangers did not play well today but that is when you must steal victory. I expect greater things from Lundqvist because I know he can do it, he has to raise his level as good as he's been...this is the time when the greats rise to the occasion.
We played like utter horse poo for most of the game. We generated nothing offensively and our defense was in shambles. We made glaring mistakes all over the ice. We were second on most pucks, or third. With the amount of scoring chances we gave up - and they were huge ones, we could've allowed 5 or 6 goals BEFORE the last penalty with any other goalie in net. Hank was the only reason this was a close game for 60 minutes. Lundqvist did all he could. Sure, he could've saved Ovechkin's goal, but that goal was scored by sheer pressure. A goalie is bound to not have the inch on his side when he's getting shelled for extended periods of time.

If we play like this, it doesn't matter how well Lundqvist plays - and he played marvelously, Ovechkin's goal included. We were badly outplayed. No team will win games by giving up all those chances, while only scoring two goals, where we were LUCKY to score two goals.

This team needs to focus on shots with short reaction time for Holtby. We can fire thousands of those long range muffins into his chest, we will never score from those. We looked like Pittsburgh vs Philadelphia out there, without the offense. Just a horrible game.

To quote Doc regarding Henrik during that game: "Whatever they're paying him, it's not enough."


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05-06-2012, 03:31 PM
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i've said it time and time again, brian boyle is an anchor on this team. It is painful how much he sabotages our transition game. His poor skating ability is such a massive liability.

He can't forecheck effectively because he can't hit what he can't catch. He has little or no acceleration ability nor agility, so he gets caught flatfooted time and time again. If your going to be slow, than you better be a mule on the puck or a great passer. He is neither. On top of that, he isn't a dominant face off man.

He made about 5-6 poor decisions in the neutral zone this game.

I am telling you, if they limit boyles minutes and give ani or dubi 3rd line center duties-it completely changes our attack.

This won't happen, and its a damn shame that torts refuses recognize it. Torts is trying to hit a square peg in a round hole.

I think boyle is a good character guy, but he is what he is. I am tired of the experiment.

Guy should be a pk specialist and nothing more.
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05-06-2012, 03:39 PM
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Really. With the way they have been playing, Boyle should be centering the 4th line with Prust and Rupp, with Prust and Rupp playing on the PK too. Anisimov deserves to be centering the 3rd line. he has been playing very well.

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05-06-2012, 03:44 PM
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I know how much of a difference he makes, but Hags only has one point (an assist) in 8 games, and 12 shots on net. It's his rookie year and first playoffs, but we need him to get a little more offense

Granted, we need more offense out of everyone.

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05-06-2012, 03:48 PM
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Really. With the way they have been playing, Boyle should be centering the 4th line with Prust and Rupp, with Prust and Rupp playing on the PK too. Anisimov deserves to be centering the 3rd line. he has been playing very well.
Its not going to happen. Torts has some sort of bizarre favoritism with Boyle. I think he is too enamored with the person/character and not the player.

I mean he gave Gabs a good remming on the bench(deserved mind you). But he should have thrown Boyle out of a window with the complete sloppiness he displayed last game. Careless passes that are just unacceptable.

Yet Brain Boyle is on the ice with 40 seconds left to be played down a goal.

Sad reality, its not going to change.

I feel a big reason why we won the Sens series was that Boyle did not play the last two games. It forced Torts into a position where he could not play him.

Torts has said in the past that he feels that Boyle and Prust can develop a skill game. I am telling you they cannot. They are 4th line players(good 4th line players)-nothing more nothing less.

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05-06-2012, 03:53 PM
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Boyle is one of our leading goal scorers, he absolutely should be on the ice in the last minute whether if it's to score a goal or to defend a lead. He is a vital part of this team.

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Boyle is one of our leading goal scorers, he absolutely should be on the ice in the last minute whether if it's to score a goal or to defend a lead. He is a vital part of this team.
He's also one of our best faceoff guys, and he has a big body that draws defenders and obscures the goalie's view. Everyone's just ******** that Torts didn't put the shiny new toy on the ice.

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We are what we are. We simply are not going to score five goals a game. We need to win games 2-1 and get someone in the off-season who can bury pucks. Still think we will beat Washington, and certainly we can beat Philadelphia (maybe), NJ, Phoenix or LA, but not if the power play remains as awful as it has been.

Teams win in the playoffs with defense, goaltending and special teams. Boston last year was an exception for the power play (but Thomas was unbelieveable - this year, when he was more ordinary, they lost in the first round).

Our power play is predictable, can't enter the zone, can't play keepaway in the zone, overpasses constantly, can't get a shot through from the point. Anything else? Especially since the refs seem to be playing even up (each team has same number of PP's).

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Boyle is one of our leading goal scorers, he absolutely should be on the ice in the last minute whether if it's to score a goal or to defend a lead. He is a vital part of this team.
He had a strong start in the Sens series but has since cooled down significantly. Still doesn't change the fact the dude can't skate.

Still doesn't change the fact he hurts our transition. Still doesn't change the fact he offers very little on the forecheck.

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He's also one of our best faceoff guys, and he has a big body that draws defenders and obscures the goalie's view. Everyone's just ******** that Torts didn't put the shiny new toy on the ice.
Lets be honest here, you may as well put a stop sign in place of Boyle in front of an opposing team net. The man has no clue when it comes to net presence(his awareness is almost laughable at times). He is also not difficult to move out of the way with his terrible balance.

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I think Torts plays Boyle with 40 seconds left down by a goal because of his size and he can give the goalie trouble if he ever gets in front of the net. Or he can block a possible GWG like he did to Rupp but i'm willing to take that risk.

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Lets be honest here, you may as well put a stop sign in place of Boyle in front of an opposing team net. The man has no clue when it comes to net presence. He is also not difficult to move out of the way with his terrible balance.
They should just sign me and throw me in front of the net. 6"4' 230. I might not be able to redirect shots, but I'll screen the goalie! I got good balance too! Boyle has met his match!

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Blueshirt Believer is to Boyle as MSG is the place to be is to Gaborik.

We get it, it's getting old.

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Blueshirt Believer is to Boyle as MSG is the place to be is to Gaborik.

We get it, it's getting old.
Fine, but its not blind hatred.

I have legit issues.

Its more of the issue with the coach than anything else. I don't think Boyle is a bad person. Its just that he is terribly misused.

You can say I harp on it too much. But I see it as a major problem on our third line.

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I think some people here are putting too much faith in Boyle based on what he did "early" in the Sens series....one early part of a PO series doesn't make you PO killer....also where was he in the first 2/3 of the season?....we have better options with 40 seconds left

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Fine, but its not blind hatred.

I have legit issues.

Its more of the issue with the coach than anything else. I don't think Boyle is a bad person. Its just that he is terribly misused.

You can say I harp on it too much. But I see it as a major problem on our third line.
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Boyle is inconsistent, sometimes he looks like a 3rd liner and other times he looks like a 4th liner. Problem is, Torts will use Boyle as 3rd liner no matter what.

Prust is definitely a 4th liner at this point. I think last season was similar to Boyle's in that the stars aligned and he was able to produce offensively. Prust should not be used in the same role as he was last year.

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Fine, but its not blind hatred.

I have legit issues.

Its more of the issue with the coach than anything else. I don't think Boyle is a bad person. Its just that he is terribly misused.

You can say I harp on it too much. But I see it as a major problem on our third line.
I think our top 6 deserves more of the blame for any of our losses than Brian Boyle. I don't see him as a major problem, I think he's filled his role admirably.

I agree that with 3 minutes left and down a goal, I don't want him feds and prust on the ice. Drives me up the god damn wall.

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I think our top 6 deserves more of the blame for any of our losses than Brian Boyle. I don't see him as a major problem, I think he's filled his role admirably.

I agree that with 3 minutes left and down a goal, I don't want him feds and prust on the ice. Drives me up the god damn wall.
To an extent, but Boyle's flatfooted skating often times leads us to play more in our own end. Either with a poor outlet pass or an inability to skate into the O zone.

It wouldn't be a problem if his minutes were significantly reduced. But Boyle plays about as much if not more than our top 6 does. That is going to have a trickle down effect any way you look at it.

Not to mention even when his line does get pressure in the O zone, its just to kill time.

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I think our top 6 deserves more of the blame for any of our losses than Brian Boyle. I don't see him as a major problem, I think he's filled his role admirably.
This. Picking apart Boyle's game at this point is ridiculous, the Rangers have bigger issues.

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He had a strong start in the Sens series but has since cooled down significantly. Still doesn't change the fact the dude can't skate.

Still doesn't change the fact he hurts our transition. Still doesn't change the fact he offers very little on the forecheck.
What are your thoughts on Callahan?

Has one more assist than Boyle and plays much more PP time, gets into better situations to score, etc.

If your going to pick apart Boyle, give Cally his fair share of criticism as well.

He's never stepped it up in the playoffs, besides maybe the first game of the playoffs.

Boyle, on the other hand is a big reason why we made it this far. He was our biggest scoring threat against Ottawa. I shudder to think what would've happened if he was dumped away like fans proposed.

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What are your thoughts on Callahan?

Has one more assist than Boyle and plays much more PP time, gets into better situations to score, etc.

If your going to pick apart Boyle, give Cally his fair share of criticism as well.

He's never stepped it up in the playoffs, besides maybe the first game of the playoffs.

Boyle, on the other hand is a big reason why we made it this far. He was our biggest scoring threat against Ottawa. I shudder to think what would've happened if he was dumped away like fans proposed.
I was going to post this, but opted against it because it would probably be too antagonistic. I agree with you that Cally has gotten off FAR too easily this playoff run.

But the difference is Cally usually is far more physical player, doesn't hurt us on the transition. We have better chance playing in the opposing teams end when Cally is on the ice.

Now his lack of offensive IQ is certainly apparent. That is why I don't believe he is a true 2nd line player(he is bubble 2nd liner/3rd line guy)who benefits greatly with the grinding system we employ.

Cally has poor playmaking ability and absolutely DREADFUL offensive habits(his overuse of the backhand-especially blind passes into the slot).

But at the end of the day, his leadership, defensive play and physicality make me overlook his shortcomings. Even when Cally isn't playing well, he is usually reliable to create space for the other players on his line. He is also pretty much are only player who is willing to go to the dirty areas or create some sort of proper net presence.

In addressing Boyle in Sens series, I think a big reason we closed out the series was because of Boyle's absence which in turn gave our skill guys more ice time.


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What are your thoughts on Callahan?

Has one more assist than Boyle and plays much more PP time, gets into better situations to score, etc.

If your going to pick apart Boyle, give Cally his fair share of criticism as well.

He's never stepped it up in the playoffs, besides maybe the first game of the playoffs.

Boyle, on the other hand is a big reason why we made it this far. He was our biggest scoring threat against Ottawa. I shudder to think what would've happened if he was dumped away like fans proposed.
People are criticizing guys like Boyle, Callahanh, Hagelin for things that they're not. Callahan is a second liner, not a first, Hagelin uses his speed to create chances, plays good defense, Callahan hits, scores 20-30 goals, many of the garbage variety. Boyle is a 4th liner. Problem is lack of a guy who can finish the chances others create.

Despite scoring twice in the last two, Gaborik is simply not trying hard enough to create some space. He's really about our only talented goal-scorer.

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