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11-20-2003, 03:01 PM
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11-20-2003, 03:47 PM
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Sutherby hasnt had much production points wise this season

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I don't see why anyone is so dissappointed in any of these rookies, has there been any recent rookie forwards that have been really lighting up the scoreboard? The last rookie forward that really caught my eye was Forsberg, everyone else was way overhyped and were only good for about 50 points, which I think has a lot to do with the defensive styles most teams use. Last year, Zetterberg showed some flashes, but other than that meh, nothing to rant and rave about.
Kovalchuk's campaign didn't impress you?

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11-20-2003, 04:08 PM
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No brainer for me. Tuomo "We're talking about the Best Player in the World" Ruutu. For all his hype, for his holding out, having 1 goal, 1 assist and a -10 in 20 games is simply horrid. IMO, he should be sent to the farm. One of the biggest overhyped letdowns on the year thus far, IMO. His grinder brother Jarkko is playing better than he is...and that is NOT a good thing.

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You know he didn't mean that, he said he meant best player outside the NHL. No prospect would claim he is the best in the league..
I think that was something his agent said.

Yeah, Ruutu isn't really producing as expected, but it could be due to injuries or a lack of confidence or whatever. Power forwards, though, are notorious late bloomers, in terms of reaching their potential. It still is a little puzzling though.

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11-20-2003, 06:56 PM
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Kovalchuk's campaign didn't impress you?
Well considering he was on a line with Heatley and his defensive game is lacking (and also on a bad team that he could rack up minutes), but when you can can as many goals like he does, I can give him a lot of credit. But Forsberg, I think had Kamensky and Keith Jones as his linemates, and put 50 points in 47 games his rookie year, and has a better defensive game, even in his rookie year then Kovalchuk. He wasn't nearly as impressive as Forsberg, IMO.

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11-20-2003, 08:19 PM
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You know he didn't mean that, he said he meant best player outside the NHL. No prospect would claim he is the best in the league..
His agent said that exact thing about him. Tuomo is a victim of being overhyped by his representation, but that's still one of the biggest jokes I've heard.

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11-20-2003, 08:24 PM
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Well considering he was on a line with Heatley and his defensive game is lacking (and also on a bad team that he could rack up minutes), but when you can can as many goals like he does, I can give him a lot of credit. But Forsberg, I think had Kamensky and Keith Jones as his linemates, and put 50 points in 47 games his rookie year, and has a better defensive game, even in his rookie year then Kovalchuk. He wasn't nearly as impressive as Forsberg, IMO.
Well Heatly was also a rookie that year too, I would think both of there rookie campaigns would have impressed you, or anybody else for that matter. I dont really understand how ones rookie campaign can have anything taken away from it because he played with another good player who was also a rookie. Yeah they helped each other, but they also played apart at times and were both very impressive on a poor team.

Also I think Berard had a pretty fine rookie season since that time. 8 goals, 40 assits, 48 pts, 86 PIM is pretty impressive for a Rookie Dman, 6th on team in scoring , tops among Dmen.

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11-21-2003, 02:47 AM
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Well considering he was on a line with Heatley and his defensive game is lacking (and also on a bad team that he could rack up minutes), but when you can can as many goals like he does, I can give him a lot of credit. But Forsberg, I think had Kamensky and Keith Jones as his linemates, and put 50 points in 47 games his rookie year, and has a better defensive game, even in his rookie year then Kovalchuk. He wasn't nearly as impressive as Forsberg, IMO.
Forsberg was 21 in his rookie season though, and Kovalchuk was only 18.

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11-21-2003, 02:57 AM
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You know he didn't mean that, he said he meant best player outside the NHL. No prospect would claim he is the best in the league..
But even when you look at the comment how it supposed to be taken.

"Best player outside of the NHL"

He is obviously not playing like that. That doesnt mean he wont, but I think its safe to say he was over-hyped... and the expectations were too high... not really his fault, although making comments like that add to the pressure

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11-21-2003, 02:57 AM
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For the Habs I was suprised Ryder made the team out of training camp. I really didn't think he had NHL stuff. I was disappointed in Komisarek not making the team after having a decent 20 game stint with the Habs at the end of last season.

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11-21-2003, 08:50 AM
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Below Expectations

CBJ - Fritsche. Despite the fact he scored last night, why is he in the show? I know that times are tough when Grande-Pierre is playing forward, but I don't understand why he should be up when he only gets 9 minutes a game?

CHI - Vorobiev to minors. Everyone is so quick to hype the scouting exploits of the now departed scouting forum of ex-GM Smith/Marshall Johnston because of Ruutu's top prospect billing. Am I the only one that thinks Smith wasted two prime-time 2000 picks on Vorobiev and Yakubov?

Above Expectations

NSH - Zidlicky. Who needs Andy Delmore's defensive misgivings? This guy doesn't miss a pass. Can you believe Glen Sather didn't want to give this guy a 2-way contract? Good thing you signed Kasperitus, Slats.

PHI - Pitkanen. This guy is a rookie defenceman and he is ALREADY beating Ruslan Fedetenko in points. Nice trade. Hope those two draft picks turn out, Feaster.

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11-21-2003, 09:43 AM
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Below Expectations

CBJ - Fritsche. Despite the fact he scored last night, why is he in the show? I know that times are tough when Grande-Pierre is playing forward, but I don't understand why he should be up when he only gets 9 minutes a game?
Fritsche is NOT playing below expectations. No one thought he would ever have had a chance to make the team out of camp... but he has and he is actually excelling. He has been playing good sound hockey, and has made it tough for the coaching staff to not include him in the line up.

He has since be moved to center the 3rd line and should start to see some more playing time.

It was written into his contract that he would not get sent down before the 20th game of the season. Thats tomorrow. But dont be surprised if he sticks all year

Have you actually seen any of fritsches games? Or are you just going off Ice time... if you want to send him back because of his ice time, what about Dustin Brown - 10 min, Upshall 9 min 30 sec, Antti Miettinen - 10 min,...

There is absolutly no reason to rush the kid. He has been playing fine.

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11-21-2003, 11:20 AM
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Guys be patient with the young roockies. Don't you remember the first year of Joe Thornton ??????

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11-21-2003, 01:25 PM
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Horton - he may not be picking up the points but he has been playing well. That guy is a warrior.
Horton is one of the few rookies out there that is not intimidated by anyone. He is one of the few panthers that finishes checks. He has had a lot of near misses and could easily have 3 or 4 more goals. Nathan has played a lot better of late and seems to be adjusting to the NHL game well. At first he was taking too long to get shots off, and sometimes now he tries to release it too quickly. The scoring touch will come.

He mostly plays on the 3rd line in a more defensive role , but it was good to see Dudley play him on the powerplay the other night. He got the Panthers lone goal on the powerplay camping out in front of the net. I don't think he is disappointing, I think some fans expect too much scoring too soon. I am glad the Panthers drafted him.

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11-23-2003, 09:53 AM
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[QUOTE=Ejh18]Fritsche is NOT playing below expectations. No one thought he would ever have had a chance to make the team out of camp... but he has and he is actually excelling. He has been playing good sound hockey, and has made it tough for the coaching staff to not include him in the line up.

QUOTE]

He was ranked as a first rounder by CSB. He plays in the NHL. Look bro, if a team is going to go out and overspend millions on Todd Marchant they obviously expect immediate results. Or at least some sort of a spark such as 1st rounder Brent Burns or 2nd rounder Patrice Bergeron have instilled. Saying he has no expectations becuase he wasn't expected to make the team is a cop out.

If you told me any forward at the quarter point of the year had only one goal, I'd defenitely call that a dissapointment...unless it was Krystoff Oliwa. But hey, you are a CBJ fan. Besides that, Fritche's defensive shortcomings are becoming excruciatinlgy evident.

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11-23-2003, 02:32 PM
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Well guys like Pitkanen, Fleury, and Staal have lived up to their billing. And guys like Jason King, Brett McLean, and Patrice Bergeron have come basically from nowhere and started off very well.

But my question is, which rookies have you expected a lot from, but have been dissapointed in so far?

For me it's:

1) Tuomo Ruutu- I was guilty of overhyping him and expected a lot more than what I have seen so far.

2) Peter Sejna- If any rookie was to have 10 goals at this point, I would have thought it would be Sejna. Playing with Weight most of the time, he should have more than 2 goals.

3) Nathan Horton- Maybe I expected a little more offence from him, however he is solid out there and works hard and pays the price. I like this kid, but so far he has dissapointed me.

Guys... lets get serious. Your already throwing the towels in on these young rookies. They are 18-20 years old... hardly done their development let alone accustomes to the NHL game. As well with regards to Horton. He's an 18yr old rookie who is going through many changes in his life, had a broken jaw last year and is a PF which takes much longer to develop then the ordinary forward. He's tough as nails already and gives it all every night... but the scoring will come with time.

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I wouldn't say I'm disapointed with Komisarek's play, but I do think the Canadiens management has taken a strange decision in keeping Hainsey -- who actually is the reason why Komo's still in Hamilton -- in Montreal and sending Komisarek down to the Hamilton Bulldogs. While I understand Ron is one year older, and maybe brings, somehow, more offensive contribution to the blueline, I think Komisarek is already a more complete player, and is much more effective in his own end, and at clearing the front of the net.

I can't seem to figure out why Gainey wants Hainsey to stick in Montreal. He's just looking so bad out there at some points. He frequently loses the puck because he takes too much time before passing the puck. Anyways, I'd say Hainsey is the real disapointement in Habs land, but I'm disapointed with the management's decision concerning Mike Komisarek.

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