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05-07-2012, 11:42 AM
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I would personally punch Timmins and Bergevin in the nuts if they wasted those 2 picks on him. What a terrible idea. I'm all for trading up but not for a guy like Matteau. Maybe Hertl or Frk, but the depth is good enough in the 2nd to keep both.
OK awesome! I have seen both Frk and Matteau play live, Matteau is by far the better of the two right now, he has more strength, hockey sense as well as a better shot. I would take him over Frk any day of the week.

Frk is a player I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole, he plays scared after he gets hit, he has the skills but doesn't seem to have the head, just makes me question his character and whether or not he will be able to handle the NHL, I'd take him in the 3rd of 4th if he was available but wouldn't waste a 2nd rounder on him let alone trade into the 1st round to get him haha.

Hertl I have only seen him play on tv, he has the size that we need, if we could trade into the 1st round I would take him, unfortunately I think he will be drafted between 20th and 25th and I think we could find the same kind of player with one of our 2nd round picks.

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05-07-2012, 11:45 AM
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We could likely get that with our 2nd in Samuelsson, if that is the case, nothing saying we couldn't use the NSH 2nd and our 3rd to move up in the 2nd. Maybe around 40, Matteau could still be on the board at that point, if not maybe Lukas Sutter.
The Habs 32nd pick(NJ forfeits their 1st)should be used to draft Cristoval Nieves if he's still available and the Nashville pick and our 63nd pick could get Lukas Sutter and Jordan Schmaltz.Assuming the Habs draft Grigorenko/Galchenyuk and the players named above the Habs draft would be a success and they will still have the 93nd and 153nd picks for gambling on say Jake McCabe and Max Iafrate two players that could have huge upsides.Three centers and three defencemen,unless Bergevin decides to upgrade the defence corps with Murray and/or Dumba giving the Habs the most promising defence corps in the NHL.Then UFA's or the 2013 draft would be for an upgrade in forwards and there are many good choices next year.


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05-07-2012, 11:49 AM
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This morning Jack Todd wrote that Geoff Molson should consider hiring Jacques Lemaire. Now before this breaks into a Jack Todd debate, I'm just curious if Bergevin/Timmins were considering one of Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, Forsberg, Murray or Dumba for the #3 pick, how much would a players ability to fit into Lemaire's(or any other coach) system determine the pick.

Grigorenko is one of the most offensively dynamic players in this year's draft but his defense has been questioned at times. Galchenyuk is a dynamic two way player who doesn't appear to have the offensive upside of Grigorenko. Do you take a system BPA or overall BPA who may not fit into the system?
Lemaire would be retired by the time the pick is 21 years old, so it should have zero impact if this pie-in-the-sky type scenario was to happen. Heck, he's already retired. He's not coming back to coach.

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05-07-2012, 11:51 AM
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I would be willing to trade our 2 second round picks to get a late firs round pick to draft Stefan Matteau. This guy's gonna be a tough powerforward with a meanstreak in the futur.
I don't think he is worth using two picks on. If he is there at #33 then take him but otherwise wait for BPA.

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05-07-2012, 11:51 AM
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The Habs 32nd pick(NJ forfeits their 1st)should be used to draft Cristoval Nieves if he's still available and the Nashville pick and our 62nd pick could get Lukas Sutter and Jordan Schmaltz.Assuming the Habs draft Grigorenko/Galchenyuk and the players named above the Habs draft would be a success and they will still have the 92nd and 152nd picks for gambling on say Jake McCabe and Max Iafrate two players that could have huge upsides.Three centers and three defencemen,unless Bergevin decides to upgrade the defence corps with Murray and/or Dumba giving the Habs the most promising defence corps in the NHL.Then UFA's or the 2013 draft would be for an upgrade in forwards and there are many good choices next year.
I think there will be a number of other options for the 32nd pick that will be just as good, if not better than Nieves.

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05-07-2012, 11:57 AM
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I think there will be a number of other options for the 32nd pick that will be just as good, if not better than Nieves.
Colton Sissons is one of them. Also he is the captain of Kelowna Rockets.

We never had a prospect from Kelowna who was a captain.

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05-07-2012, 12:36 PM
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The 2012 NHL mock draft was updated today from MYNHLDRAFT.com and it seems like Galchenyuk has moved up and we are drafting Grigorenko, I am confident that we will see:

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

I am confident that we will see:

1) Edmonton - Ryan Murray
2) Columbus - Nail Yakupov
3) Montreal - Alex Galchenyuk
4) New York Islanders - Mikhael Grigorenko
5) Toronto - Filip Forsberg

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05-07-2012, 01:07 PM
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1) Edmonton - Ryan Murray
2) Columbus - Nail Yakupov
3) Montreal - Alex Galchenyuk
4) New York Islanders - Matt Dumba
5) Toronto - Mikhail Grigorenko

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05-07-2012, 01:24 PM
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1st: Galchenyuk
2nd: (A dropper out of the 1st round)
2nd: Nieves or Jankowski.
3rd: Devin Shore.
4th: Robbie Baillargeon (really like him so I snagged him with Ottawa in the 3rd round).

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05-07-2012, 01:54 PM
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1st: Galchenyuk
2nd: (A dropper out of the 1st round)
2nd: Nieves or Jankowski.
3rd: Devin Shore.
4th: Robbie Baillargeon (really like him so I snagged him with Ottawa in the 3rd round).
Would really love to see us snag Ulf's kid, somehow. Would be such a great troll pick.

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05-07-2012, 01:57 PM
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God I love 2nd round picks.

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05-07-2012, 02:01 PM
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i dont see any way in hell oils don't take yakupov. just for the simple fact that they can flip him for a guy better than murray right now and possibly also in the future. yakupov goes to edmonton, book it et cetera


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05-07-2012, 02:49 PM
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I will be happy with just about everyone with our first pick, but I'm still hoping its Grigorenko D:

6'3.25 center that got compared to Malkin/Spezza..

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05-07-2012, 02:50 PM
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The 2012 NHL mock draft was updated today from MYNHLDRAFT.com and it seems like Galchenyuk has moved up and we are drafting Grigorenko, I am confident that we will see:

http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

I am confident that we will see:

1) Edmonton - Ryan Murray
2) Columbus - Nail Yakupov
3) Montreal - Alex Galchenyuk
4) New York Islanders - Mikhael Grigorenko
5) Toronto - Filip Forsberg
LOL that is probably the worst I have seen yet. Passing on a potential super star, not trading down and taking a player likely to go at #4.

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05-07-2012, 02:53 PM
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i dont see any way in hell oils don't take yakupov. just for the simple fact that they can flip him for a guy better than murray right now and possibly also in the future. yakupov goes to edmonton, book it et cetera
Agreed but if they do take Murray, I wouldn't be surprised if Yakupov falls to us.

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05-07-2012, 03:10 PM
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i dont see any way in hell oils don't take yakupov. just for the simple fact that they can flip him for a guy better than murray right now and possibly also in the future. yakupov goes to edmonton, book it et cetera
This. 1000%.

If EDM management doesn't understand the concept that the asset that is Yakupov > the asset that is Murray, they deserve to be fired.

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05-07-2012, 03:14 PM
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Agreed but if they do take Murray, I wouldn't be surprised if Yakupov falls to us.
Agree, if they want a Nash replacement, Forsberg is the player to draft.

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05-07-2012, 03:27 PM
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Would really love to see us snag Ulf's kid, somehow. Would be such a great troll pick.
If we pick Galchenyuk/Grigorenko, then Nieves and Samuelsson in the second round, I'll be ecstatic.

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05-07-2012, 03:38 PM
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This draft is so freaky hard to predict.

1. Yakupov
2. Forsberg/Murray/Grigorenko/Galchenyuk


The thing is I don't want the Laffs to pick anyone of these guys but they will end up with one of them because we beat the leafs in the final game.

I'm afraid to choose between Grigorenko and Galchenyuk as one of these guys may haunt us if we don't draft him.

Then there's Murray who's probably a perennial team Canada defenseman. Imagine him and Subban, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Gorges, and Emelin as our future defense group.

Then there's Forsberg who could be the best player in the draft with his size, skills, and speed.

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Last year, they debated whether they would draft Larsson because they needed a #1 D. They didn't and I'm sure they don't regret picking RNH.

The difference is that they didn't have a #1 centre. And this year they have 2 top wingers. However, if I'm in their position, I'd still draft Yakupov.

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This. 1000%.

If EDM management doesn't understand the concept that the asset that is Yakupov > the asset that is Murray, they deserve to be fired.
The cap doesnt seem that big this year between the 1st overall pick and lets say the other top 6 prospects in this draft.. While Yakupov is clearly the most flashy of the bunch and probably the most highly skilled of all, Im not convinced he is the type of players who can fit in a structured defensive system like its the trend in the NHL.. Outside Philly, all teams still in contention for the cup are defense first minded teams, even the Caps changed their style of play under Hunter and guess what, Ovechkin is having a hard time to adjust to this new phylosophy.. Add to this Yakupov's latest concusion, the fact he is Russian and that the KHL is still a possibility if things dont turn like he wants and you get a draft with a ton of possibilities, thats at least the way I think things could turn out and I wouldnt be surprised if Yakupov is still on the board when we draft..

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Last year, they debated whether they would draft Larsson because they needed a #1 D. They didn't and I'm sure they don't regret picking RNH.

The difference is that they didn't have a #1 centre. And this year they have 2 top wingers. However, if I'm in their position, I'd still draft Yakupov.
There is another difference too, there is no RHN Crosby Stamkos in this draft, no top end elite talent in this draft..

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05-07-2012, 03:45 PM
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There is another difference too, there is no RHN Crosby Stamkos in this draft, no top end elite talent in this draft..
You never know. Stamkos was supposed to be great, but he still took people by surprise when his development curve took a crazy upswing.

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Would really love to see us snag Ulf's kid, somehow. Would be such a great troll pick.
Imagine if he takes out Neely Jr

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There is another difference too, there is no RHN Crosby Stamkos in this draft, no top end elite talent in this draft..
Yakupov seems to be possibly as good as those, but don't mention Crosby in the discussion because he's an exception.

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