My reading of the deal is that it basically give the ball to the universities. If they can manage to cut some of their expense (through the "watch program") then the tuition won't be raised at much. But in the end, it won't be the government problem anymore if this "watch program" end up failing.
That's how I understood it as well. I don't really see this as a win for the anti-hike side. Tuition has increased in the end. Now instead focusing their attention on Government, they now have to focus their attention on universities.
That's how I understood it as well. I don't really see this as a win for the anti-hike side. Tuition has increased in the end. Now instead focusing their attention on Government, they now have to focus their attention on universities.
Pretty easy way out I guess. It's a bad plan. I actually think Universities such as concordia(ill speak for ConU as I go there) are in need of more funding. While managing expenses isn't a bad thing, the end result isn't really cause for optimism. You're pressuring universities to please the students and sidetrack or cut useful services in the process. Concordia's most used building(Hall) is a piece of crap. I've had my teachers openly complain in class about the FG building and how equipment is outdated. The MB and EV buildings are excellent but the H and several others are clearly lacking. They have started to renovate and modernize certain floors of the H(most notably 10) in order to provide better labs, classes and study rooms but I fear the slowdown such a tuition pressure would cause. While they may not be tied hand in hand, I'd rather the end result was the excess fees were used for projects to increase academic resources and the quality of education/research. Instead, we're cutting just to cut and once what was originally "Who should pay? Government or Students?" has an answer of "the universities".
I still think the students will be back on strike next year until the government agrees to pay each student a salary for going to school. Honestly, the way Quebec is run I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up that way.
I'll also laugh if they end up cutting student associations as a result of these budget cuts.
I still think the students will be back on strike next year until the government agrees to pay each student a salary for going to school. Honestly, the way Quebec is run I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up that way.
I'll also laugh if they end up cutting student associations as a result of these budget cuts.
Having been part of a student association myself, I wouldn't care at all however these are legit networking opportunities. I think while one may have a lack of an interest for an association I can respect the process and the work people put into it. A lot of people get the opportunity to manage and be part of a team which is a lot more helpful than some classes.
Other associations, such as the CSU who fail at taking proper votes...sure, I wish they'd cancel them.
Pretty easy way out I guess. It's a bad plan. I actually think Universities such as concordia(ill speak for ConU as I go there) are in need of more funding. While managing expenses isn't a bad thing, the end result isn't really cause for optimism. You're pressuring universities to please the students and sidetrack or cut useful services in the process. Concordia's most used building(Hall) is a piece of crap. I've had my teachers openly complain in class about the FG building and how equipment is outdated. The MB and EV buildings are excellent but the H and several others are clearly lacking. They have started to renovate and modernize certain floors of the H(most notably 10) in order to provide better labs, classes and study rooms but I fear the slowdown such a tuition pressure would cause. While they may not be tied hand in hand, I'd rather the end result was the excess fees were used for projects to increase academic resources and the quality of education/research. Instead, we're cutting just to cut and once what was originally "Who should pay? Government or Students?" has an answer of "the universities".
LL, I agree completely. It's stuff like this why I was in favor of an increase. There is only so much the fixing of mis-managed funds can pay for. Unfortunately, money doesn't grow on trees and it costs money to maintain a QUALITY education. The notion of quality seems to have been lost in this whole mess. Costs rise, it's teh nature of our economic system. The taxpayers are overburdened already. The cost of tuition is so low that there is enough room there to have some of the monetary burden shifted to the students themselves.
Cutting administrative fees won't solve anything. Only makes things worse.
Really wish Charest had some balls and took a hard stance against these morons. If unemployed students made the government look soft, there really is no hope in this province. The rest of Canada has one more reason to laugh at Quebec.
Heavily considering getting my degree and leaving in a few years.
They actually got one semester's worth of freeze, which is better than nothing in their eyes.
Moral victory I guess. A rise in tuition is a rise in tuition no matter when it happens. All in all I think it's an overall loss for both sides. While tuition still increased, the Charest government still had to make concessions.
And while they got concessions, the anti-hike side still don't not get what they wanted which was a tuition freeze or free education. Although there is a potential to offset the rise in tuition with administrative cuts, the problem is that they are just that; potential cuts, not actual cuts. In the end, the students might not have any off-set at all.
My friend has a bad GPA. Like a 1.3 bad. Anyways, I'm in change of finding him a second semester summer class (June-August) that's so easy that he gets an A. Does anyone know the easiest classes to take at Concordia?
I already know about CHEM 208 which I heard is stupid easy, but we're going for something un-science.
My friend has a bad GPA. Like a 1.3 bad. Anyways, I'm in change of finding him a second semester summer class (June-August) that's so easy that he gets an A. Does anyone know the easiest classes to take at Concordia?
I already know about CHEM 208 which I heard is stupid easy, but we're going for something un-science.
My friend has a bad GPA. Like a 1.3 bad. Anyways, I'm in change of finding him a second semester summer class (June-August) that's so easy that he gets an A. Does anyone know the easiest classes to take at Concordia?
I already know about CHEM 208 which I heard is stupid easy, but we're going for something un-science.
Don't you have one semester of probation? I don't remember the details though.
Isn't that a cegep thing? As far as I know ConU(where I assume friend is) doesn't mention it.
I actually was on a 'conditional standing' which is annual of 1.5 to 1.99. I had 1.82. This is probation, they give you a year to get over 2.00 GPA. You redo some classes(they choose) and that's it. Failed standing you're kicked out for a year and gotta reappl a year later.
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How the hell do you get a 1.3 GPA?!?
In my case, I was working a lot and I was a mature student. Was out of full time study for a long time and after two years my cummilative GPA was low, like 1.9(annual of 1.82) because I just wasn't used to it and I was overworking myself with school and work. I stopped working this year and got my act together so in 2 years I managed to have 1.9 or so. In one year I did so well I boosted it back to 2.97. I'm pretty happy about that.
In any case, sometimes it just happens. You do too many classes and you screw up or you do too little and you have a low mark in one and can't boost it with another.
Yeah, my friend is on academic probation. I'm not sure what that involves, but you do need to get your GPA above 2 within a year or something. I think his GPA is higher than that, but I know he got a couple Cs, a B and a fail, (first semester) so his GPA is around 1.6 or something. If he takes an easy class, gets an A and retakes his failed class and gets a B or whatever, then he should easily be in the 2.5+ range, and be right on track.
I got him to register for FINA 200. How is that class? I heard it was a joke and might take it myself.
Yeah, my friend is on academic probation. I'm not sure what that involves, but you do need to get your GPA above 2 within a year or something. I think his GPA is higher than that, but I know he got a couple Cs, a B and a fail, (first semester) so his GPA is around 1.6 or something. If he takes an easy class, gets an A and retakes his failed class and gets a B or whatever, then he should easily be in the 2.5+ range, and be right on track.
I got him to register for FINA 200. How is that class? I heard it was a joke and might take it myself.
I heard FINA 200 is very easy. My brother is taking it this summer so I will be able to give you more feedback in a few weeks.
I thought I was going to fail my database class, but I ended up with a C+. It's a bad result for me, but I'll take it considering that I pretty much did nothing in that class.
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Yeah, my friend is on academic probation. I'm not sure what that involves, but you do need to get your GPA above 2 within a year or something.
That's pretty much it (at least at my university). Here it's "get your GPA back on track or GTFO".
I thought I was going to fail my database class, but I ended up with a C+. It's a bad result for me, but I'll take it considering that I pretty much did nothing in that class.
That's pretty much it (at least at my university). Here it's "get your GPA back on track or GTFO".
Out of curiosity, which Database class (was it at Concordia)?
I got A- in Inte290. What a joke of a class. I put no more than 10 hours of work the whole semester. I recommend everybody to take it. Surprisingly, there were some failures. How that's possible, I don't know.
And L-O-F'ing-L at the idiot students who now say the government used dirty tactics like sleep deprivation to trick them into the preliminary agreement. Sleep deprivation? College Students? Are they serious? I can't count how many times I've had to work until 4 or 5am, sleep a few hours and go to class for 8:45am. Part of the College experience is learning how to manage time between sleep, work, friends, and school. Sometimes, you gotta make sacrifices.
But hard work and sacrifice are words these fools know nothing of. Whining and protest on the other hand, have been perfected.
I got A- in Inte290. What a joke of a class. I put no more than 10 hours of work the whole semester. I recommend everybody to take it. Surprisingly, there were some failures. How that's possible, I don't know.
And L-O-F'ing-L at the idiot students who now say the government used dirty tactics like sleep deprivation to trick them into the preliminary agreement. Sleep deprivation? College Students? Are they serious? I can't count how many times I've had to work until 4 or 5am, sleep a few hours and go to class for 8:45am. Part of the College experience is learning how to manage time between sleep, work, friends, and school. Sometimes, you gotta make sacrifices.
But hard work and sacrifice are words these fools know nothing of. Whining and protest on the other hand, have been perfected.
come on now...
let's not pretend the Govt has been honest or anything in this... we're talking about Charest PLQ here. They are dirty, they are dishonest, they are frauds, they are thiefs.
