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03-21-2006, 08:52 AM
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What happens if Habs and Atlanta tie for 8th?

October 12: Montreal beats Atlanta 2 - 0, Bulis with game winner
November 22: Montreal beats Atlanta 3 - 2 in a shootout (remember our shootout hero Dags )
December 26: Atlanta shuts out Habs 4 - 0....with Garnett in goal!
February 11: Atlanta beats Habs 2 - 1 in a shootout. Last game before Olympics. Coulda used Dags as Kovy, Perez and Ryder fail to score.

So the teams are 2 - 2 head to head.
Excluding shootout goals, Atlanta outscores Montreal 7-5. Is this the next level of tie-breaker ?
Or is it wins?
Anybody know?

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03-21-2006, 08:56 AM
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October 12: Montreal beats Atlanta 2 - 0, Bulis with game winner
November 22: Montreal beats Atlanta 3 - 2 in a shootout (remember our shootout hero Dags )
December 26: Atlanta shuts out Habs 4 - 0....with Garnett in goal!
February 11: Atlanta beats Habs 2 - 1 in a shootout. Last game before Olympics. Coulda used Dags as Kovy, Perez and Ryder fail to score.

So the teams are 2 - 2 head to head.
Excluding shootout goals, Atlanta outscores Montreal 7-5. Is this the next level of tie-breaker ?
Or is it wins?
Anybody know?

Isn't it 7-6? Not that it makes a difference but it just goes to show how a single goal can make a huge difference.

However, in the case of a tie for 8th, don't they go by number of total wins next?

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The tie breakers are:

1. Wins
2. Points against tied teams
3. Goal differential

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Someone can correct me but I'm pretty sure it's the "fewest losses".

Go to NHL.com right now and check the Western Conference standings. You'll notice Edmonton and LA are tied for 7th, and although LA has more wins, Edmonton has fewer losses and they're in front.

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03-21-2006, 09:13 AM
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From ESPN..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/matchups

In the event teams are tied in the standings, the following tiebreakers are applied to determine which team receives the higher seeding.

Tiebreaker
1. Wins
2. Points obtained in games against tied teams
3. Goal differential

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I wonder why nhl.com has the Oil ahead of LA, then?

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03-21-2006, 09:25 AM
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From ESPN..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/matchups

In the event teams are tied in the standings, the following tiebreakers are applied to determine which team receives the higher seeding.

Tiebreaker
1. Wins
2. Points obtained in games against tied teams
3. Goal differential

Mike
Thanks Mike.
So, the Habs would need more wins, since they are tied for point # 2 and Atlanta won the goal differential 7 - 5. Or is it total goal differential (Habs currently -17, Atlanta -1).

I guess the Habs should just finish 6th to be safe.

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03-21-2006, 09:26 AM
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I wonder why nhl.com has the Oil ahead of LA, then?
it's because they have 2 games in hand I think.

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03-21-2006, 09:29 AM
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It appears that Wins are first. Here it is from NHL.com.

http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/faq/go_figure.html

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Playoff Tie-Breaking Formula
At the conclusion of the regular season, the standing of the teams in each Conference shall be determined in accordance with the following priorities in the order listed:

a) First place in each of the three Divisions seeded 1, 2 and 3.
b) The higher number of points earned by the Club.
c) The greater number of games won by the Club.
d) The higher number of points earned in games against each other among two or more Clubs having equal standing under priorities (b) and (c).
NOTE: For the purpose of determining standing under priority (d) for two or more Clubs that have not played an even number of games with one or more of the other tied Clubs, the first game played in the city that has the extra game (the "odd" game) shall not be included. When more than two Clubs are tied, the percentage of available points earned in games among each other (and not including any "odd games") shall be used to determine the standing.
e) The greater positive differential between goals scored for and against by Clubs having equal standing under priority (d).

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It appears that Wins are first. Here it is from NHL.com.

http://www.nhl.com/nhlhq/faq/go_figure.html
It's probably me but if the goal diffential between twose tied teams or the overall goal differential of the whole year???

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Dont be too nervous about the 4th or so tie-breaker...

At this point in time, the stats leads us to 1 plausible conclusion: the habs needs to have 1 more point than Atlanta to pass.

We have 9 OTL and Atlanta have 6 OTL all year long. It's not impossible but doubtful this difference would be void by the end of the year --> hence more wins for Atlanta for the same number of points... The first tie-breaker would probably be enough for them.

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If we tie with Atlanta, we lose cause we have less wins. We need that one point to stand up the gauntlet that we are currently going through...

I figure we have a great opportunity this week to run up with the situation...
The win last night, with a game against the Isles tonight, combined with the back to back games with the Leafs... If we win the next three, I honestly feel that will put us in a great situation to win a playoff spot... Atlanta needs to cool down though, cause they are smoking hot right now...

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