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11-21-2003, 04:17 PM
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Expansion to Europe? Good or Bad?

Rds analyst Yvon Pednault said that it would be interesting for the NHL to expand into Europe and take advantage of the Market over year and it would make for interesting games and maybe more offense from the Russians side.

What do you guys thing?
Avg Omsk becomes a Nhl team?
and there is also lots of countries to take advantage like Russian, Czech, Finland, Sweden and with bigger ice surface, you would have lots of exciting games and more thrilling to the final game playoff run.

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Great idea and all but that's too far to travel.

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I say bad idea. The league dosen't need to expand more IMO.

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how would trans continental away games work? not good, maybe more canadien teams, more investment in hockey and a seperate conference, but i dont think the NHL needs to expand.

and thats coming from a guy who would LOVE to see european NHL, but realistically, its stupid.

bad bad bad.

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Neat idea, but the logistics would make it next to impossible, unless the NHL subsidized some old Concordes for the teams to use. East coast players complain about playing western road trips as it is, flying from California to Europe, etc would be brutal.

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Bad idea. First, the players are already spead thin as is, but also the travel costs would be insane for a sport that doesnt make a very large income

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It's like anything else, it depends how it would be implemented. If they make a system that is similar to the MLB's, with two separate leagues facing themselves only during the playoffs and, maybe, on intra-league games, it is possible. If they keep the current schedule, it wouldn't be too efficient.

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awful idea.

Travel costs would be killer. Not to mention customs isues.

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Not just bad horrible.

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It'd be very cool to see more European talent, different styles of play, and games on larger rinks. But who are we kidding? Traveling from LA to Norilsk? I don't think so.

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If they make a system that is similar to the MLB's, with two separate leagues facing themselves only during the playoffs and, maybe, on intra-league games, it is possible.
This is probably the only way this could work.

Teams going to Europe would have a long roadtrip. Which means longer homestands when they return. Many people don't have the cash to be going to several games in a short amount of time.

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No the biggest problem is other.
European players will want to play in Europe.
And will ask to be traded/drafted there, quite logically.
Also given the problem's with different economics (US/Canada), you'd have to add problems with Russia's, Sweden's, Finland's, Czech Republic's, etc...
Quite complicated.

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Lets see Winnipeg and Quebec City get teams back in their cities before we go out and incorporate a Stokholm or a Prague team, mmmkay?

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The idea of expanding the league to have teams in Europe is laughable due to so many reasons that many of you have already mentioned.

BUT... I think a way they can expand to Europe, which they have done already, is play a few games over in different European countries every other season. That way the league can globalize and hopefully gain some more interest in an international level.

There is a lot of international appeal, and I think this is a more of a possibility. Of course it can't be a regular thing but maybe early on in a season they can plan it and have a few teams play some games.

But I think the NHL might want to focus on trying to figure out how to gain national exposure in North America first.

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I'd much rather see the NHL shore up the Canadian presence---deal w/the exchange-rate issues and return to proven markets, like Quebec, Winnipeg,.....

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No.

Interesting concept but I just can't see it working (travel costs, distance, nationalities, etc.).

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No, no and no.

And this as an european.
Totally agree there. I would like to see a Swedish-Finnish-Norwegian-Danish pro hockey league though. And why not a central european pro league?

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Totally agree there. I would like to see a Swedish-Finnish-Norwegian-Danish pro hockey league though. And why not a central european pro league?
For the expansion: ABSOLUTELY NO!

And the "Scandinavian" league: Not a bad idea, but it is only possible when there are equal amount of teams in both league, because 2 games versus each is too much. It should be 1 game versus every team. It is too hard to play as much games as NHL. I think that Finnish teams should train more and play less - That is how the skilled players are made.

EDIT: I mean only Finnish-Swedish leagues with the Scandinavian league. There are too less good teams in Norweigian or Danish leagues.

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Maybe in the future there will be a "World Hockey League," consisted of about 100 teams from all over the world.

Of course, technology would have to evolve a lot... for example, the Concorde's speed across the atlantic would have to become the norm for new brands of airplanes, etc. But it would be interesting if all the hockey in the world would be grouped in one association.

Think...

The World Hockey League would be called the 1st division. Then, the 2nd division would be the equivalent of the AHL, the 3rd division maybe something like the ECHL... then there would be the junior teams... everything standardized throughout the world. It could be a great hockey empire!

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I think it would be 'neat', but that there's still a long way to go.

The most important question is that of whether Europeans would actually have any interest in a hockey team.

So I ask Europeans: Are you interested in an NHL team ? Could your city support one ?

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Yeah!

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League could have 3 outdoor games a yr in major hoockey markets that can fill 50 + plus arenas

This allwos them to cut 4 games of the schedual without a loss

thus making travel to europe fesiable

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Two words - logistically impossible.

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For the expansion: ABSOLUTELY NO!

And the "Scandinavian" league: Not a bad idea, but it is only possible when there are equal amount of teams in both league, because 2 games versus each is too much. It should be 1 game versus every team. It is too hard to play as much games as NHL. I think that Finnish teams should train more and play less - That is how the skilled players are made.

EDIT: I mean only Finnish-Swedish leagues with the Scandinavian league. There are too less good teams in Norweigian or Danish leagues.
My idea was that Oslo and Copenhagen are big enough to support a professional team. I was only thinking of the economical side of it and I also believe Norway and Denmark each has talent to put in a small core of native player in each countrys team. Norway has Espen Knutsen and Denmark has a number of decent talents like Kim Staal and Franz Nielsen. But of course, the main part of the players in each of those teams would of course be from other countrys.

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The NHLPA would never allow it.

If it would, then it would only work if there was two equal size conferences that only faced each other in the postseason.

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