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05-08-2012, 07:39 AM
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I have no issue with the suspension in a vacuum, what I do have a problem with is the precedent was already set that he shouldn't have be suspended.

He was made an example to the Flyers for crying about dirty play of the golden boys on that team to our west.
IMO, the "frustration factor" in Shannahan's decision tells it all. He is punished for yelling at the ref for missing calls and then taking the law in his own hands. I do not think that the league had any other choice at that point.

It was a knucklehead penalty and deserved suspension.

Agree with the rest of the group that Shannahan's incosistency is mind boggling, though

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I have no issue with the suspension in a vacuum, what I do have a problem with is the precedent was already set that he shouldn't have be suspended.

He was made an example to the Flyers for crying about dirty play of the golden boys on that team to our west. No more, no less. The Coward Shanahan gave the same reasoning he did for James Neal, aside from that whole "previous history" thing.

If I were Holmgren, I'd sound off on that, and if I were Ed Snider, I'd tell him I got the tab for it. What use does fining the team who provides your television contract do?


And we still don't know the rules.


Whatever. It's not our year anyways.
100% this.

In isolation, suspension is fine.

Look beyond that and it continues to be inconsistent.

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05-08-2012, 07:45 AM
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Can he appeal it and if so, will it allow him to play in game 5 until another ruling is setup ?
don't know the process of appeals !!
im curious about this also...does anybody know?

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im curious about this also...does anybody know?
He stays suspended pending the outcome of the appeal.

Thus the reason Raffi Torres hasn't reappeared for the Coyotes.

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to those who thought zubrus was embellishing, have you ever even played hockey, let alone take a hit to the head?

anyways, i think you guys will bounce back and take the next game. im personally hoping for a kings - flyers cup final, and i still have faith in it

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05-08-2012, 09:59 AM
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Ranger fan here. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel for you guys. I've seen much worse during these playoffs that has gone unpunished. As much as I liked Brendan Shanahan as a player, he is doing the league a disservice with his rulings. Just what the NHL needs is to take some intensity out of the playoffs. That'll increase the popularity in the US.

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05-08-2012, 10:02 AM
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Ranger fan here. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I feel for you guys. I've seen much worse during these playoffs that has gone unpunished. As much as I liked Brendan Shanahan as a player, he is doing the league a disservice with his rulings. Just what the NHL needs is to take some intensity out of the playoffs. That'll increase the popularity in the US.

I agree with you. Weber should have gotten 2-3 games but only got $2,500 fine

Shamahan needs a new job and get someone in there who have the nads to be fair and equal

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05-08-2012, 10:07 AM
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to those who thought zubrus was embellishing, have you ever even played hockey, let alone take a hit to the head?
Well it is one of those weird areas where unless you've been there it doesn't make sense (the reaction to being hit up high that is).

It's sort of like soccer in a way. A lot of my friends think everything is a dive. One day we were out on the beach and I challenged one to 100 yard dash. I barely nicked his calf (on purpose) and the guy went down like a sack of potatoes and rolled another good 10 feet. When you're flying at full speed you go down easy. When you're flying at full speed and have to control a bouncing ball, you go down even easier. After that they understood.

With hockey its sort of the same way in regard to head shots. People forget just how fast these guys are traveling, how hard the protection is that they are launching into a head, etc. So when a quick chip to the head happens and there is a guy rolling around on the ice, everyone just laughs. Even though I believe that same EXACT thing happened to JVR. A quick little shot to his head, he went down full force like crazy. He ended up with a concussion. A lot of people thought he was embellishing.

Any way, the suspension is insane, not because it shouldn't be suspended (in my head he should be out 10+ games... I HATE head shots), but because of the pure inconsistency on the leagues part. Its frustrating as a fan and I've mentioned it on here that its things like this that just push me further away from watching the game.

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05-08-2012, 11:13 AM
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Great article from Sam Donnellon about Giroux's suspension; articulates the lack of consistency and total hypocrisy from Shanahan that's angered everyone: http://www.philly.com/philly/columni...preferred.html

Worth the read.

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05-08-2012, 11:38 AM
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Great article from Sam Donnellon about Giroux's suspension; articulates the lack of consistency and total hypocrisy from Shanahan that's angered everyone: http://www.philly.com/philly/columni...preferred.html

Worth the read.
Normally Donnellon bothers me a bit but I liked that.

I particularly liked the point that Shanny looked at Neal as "2 separate incidents" and then for Giroux said "if you look at the entirety of his shift".

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05-08-2012, 11:52 AM
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It was an ok commentary..made good points but the one below kind of baffles me still. Does a DEPARTMENT of player safety really exist as I asked up thread? Who is it staffed by and how representative and objective is it? He goes on to rip Shanahan the "Czar" yet he claims there are "layers" of government regulation? Are there? Seems like an arbitrary dictatorship to me based on the whims of an incompetent dude who makes things up as he goes along.....



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05-08-2012, 03:18 PM
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honestly, I have trouble saying anyone should be suspended if they didn't think that what Weber did warranted one

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05-08-2012, 03:31 PM
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Yeah. It's not the one game suspension that annoys me, that's I think a fair ruling. What gets me is the inconsistency leading up to this point, which then frustrates me that he happened to finally get it right when it's my team they get it right with.

And as others mentioned, Weber's WWE style "headshot to the turnbuckle" and as Donnellon described Neal's "incidents," it leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

It's funny to see how Shanny pretty much lost all the respect he earned from a 20 year playing career in a single year for being an inconsistent disciplinary. And the biggest mistake everyone made is believing he'd save us from the evil tyrant that was Colin Campbell.

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It was an ok commentary..made good points but the one below kind of baffles me still. Does a DEPARTMENT of player safety really exist as I asked up thread? Who is it staffed by and how representative and objective is it? He goes on to rip Shanahan the "Czar" yet he claims there are "layers" of government regulation? Are there? Seems like an arbitrary dictatorship to me based on the whims of an incompetent dude who makes things up as he goes along.....
Fair point. I'm curious as well...

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My favourite idea was put forward by Lindros when Campell was being replaced, saying they should have a panel, possibly composed of:

Ex-Player
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My favourite idea was put forward by Lindros when Campell was being replaced, saying they should have a panel, possibly composed of:

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Throw in an Ex-Wife for good measure.

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Thanks Shanny for suspending our top scorer in a crucial game, what a joke!
Giroux never left his feet, no penalty called, no past record and didn't look like he intended to injure Zubrus but lets suspend him! What a fine wasn't good enough?
Shanny has to go!

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Thanks Shanny for suspending our top scorer in a crucial game, what a joke!
Giroux never left his feet, no penalty called, no past record and didn't look like he intended to injure Zubrus but lets suspend him! What a fine wasn't good enough?
Shanny has to go!
A penalty was called.

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A penalty was called.
Sorry, meant to say no "Major" penalty was called.

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Thanks Shanny for suspending our top scorer in a crucial game, what a joke!
Giroux never left his feet, no penalty called, no past record and didn't look like he intended to injure Zubrus but lets suspend him! What a fine wasn't good enough?
Shanny has to go!
The one game suspension was 100% warranted and if anyone had done the same thing to Roo, we'd want the guys head served on a platter. Roo didn't do much in this series anyway, along with the rest of the team so are you going to blame Shanny for them being down 3-1 at that point?

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My favourite idea was put forward by Lindros when Campell was being replaced, saying they should have a panel, possibly composed of:

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There is a committee that discusses the incident and determines a ruling. I believe Rob Blake and a couple others sit down with Shanahan and discuss the incidents and then determine the outcome.

Not 100% sure but I think Shanahan is just the head of the committee.

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The one game suspension was 100% warranted and if anyone had done the same thing to Roo, we'd want the guys head served on a platter. Roo didn't do much in this series anyway, along with the rest of the team so are you going to blame Shanny for them being down 3-1 at that point?
That happened! Remember James Neal? Neal's hit on Giroux was totally deliberate unlike Giroux rubbing off Zubrus and Zubrus selling it. Giroux is not a dirty player and had no prior incidents before this happened, Shanny made an example out of Giroux that's all.
Still didn't warrant a suspension, maybe a fine. Maybe next time Zubrus will keep his head up.
I'm blaming Shanny for taking out our top scorer in a crucial game, who wouldn't?

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That happened! Remember James Neal? Neal's hit on Giroux was totally deliberate unlike Giroux rubbing off Zubrus and Zubrus selling it. Giroux is not a dirty player and had no prior incidents before this happened, Shanny made an example out of Giroux that's all.
Still didn't warrant a suspension, maybe a fine. Maybe next time Zubrus will keep his head up.
I'm blaming Shanny for taking out our top scorer in a crucial game, who wouldn't?
I didn't realize you were visually impaired. Zubrus didn't see Giroux as he made a beeline towards him because he was ahead of him. He also didn't have the puck anywhere near him. Go ahead and blame Shanny all you want but Giroux lost his temper and it cost him.

I think in a way it's a good thing. Between that and Lavi's comment about him being the best player in the world, he cracked. Hopefully they won't hand the captaincy over to him because I don't want him ruined like Richards was. Giroux is awkward with the media and he should just be allowed to play as an alternate till he's older.

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I didn't realize you were visually impaired. Zubrus didn't see Giroux as he made a beeline towards him because he was ahead of him. He also didn't have the puck anywhere near him. Go ahead and blame Shanny all you want but Giroux lost his temper and it cost him.

I think in a way it's a good thing. Between that and Lavi's comment about him being the best player in the world, he cracked. Hopefully they won't hand the captaincy over to him because I don't want him ruined like Richards was. Giroux is awkward with the media and he should just be allowed to play as an alternate till he's older.
Visually Impaired? I'm not the Jays fan here.

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Visually Impaired? I'm not the Jays fan here.
Do you have a rebuttal to what I said?

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