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NHL Amnesty: Pronger vs Bryz

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Pronger 23 27.38%
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05-08-2012, 10:24 PM
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Some players who could be on the flyers radar might get amnestied as well. One in particular would be Bouwmeester, or even brian campbell.
SCAAAARY territory.
J bow is not physical and his offense died out of FLA. Campbell is good on offense, but not a great defender...IMO

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05-08-2012, 10:25 PM
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Someone correct me if i'm wrong but I'm pretty sure this is how it works:

For players under 30 when they signed their contract the buy out cap hit is 1/3

For players 30-34 when they signed their contract the buy out cap hit is 1/3 for double the length of the remainder of the contract (so effectively 2/3 overall)

35+ there is no cap relief
You are probably right, I think i looked at Yashin's a while back or something to get my screwy stuff. He's like the only long term guy who has been bought out.

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05-08-2012, 10:28 PM
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SCAAAARY territory.
J bow is not physical and his offense died out of FLA. Campbell is good on offense, but not a great defender...IMO
J bow is on par with coburn in all aspects except for physicalilty.

he can also log 28+ minutes a game and he hasnt missed a game in like 3 or 4 years. He is terribly underrated imo and that contract , which wouldnt be an issue, is the reason for all his criticism.

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05-08-2012, 10:30 PM
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It's ridiculous we're even talking about this. Everyone is gonna get their hopes up.

But let's say we terminate Bryz's contract with amnesty and burn that bridge. Do people really still see Bob as the answer? What do you do? Who do you sign if you don't trust Bob? Do you trade for Luongo who had a similar track record (and contract) to Bryz? The UFAs at Goalie this year are garbage. There's Broduer and then career backups.

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05-08-2012, 10:31 PM
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I'm equating Pronger with Savard. I feel like it's a given Savard's gone but he's gonna stay on LTIR to collect his paycheck (which he deserves). I don't think the league has a problem acknowledging that Savard is done but will remain on LTIR. Obviously that's not based on any facts, just my opinion. Either way I'd rather Pronger's 2.5 penalty to Bryz's contract.
The situations are kinda different. For one, the Bruins weren't right up against the cap this season, so Savard being on LTIR doesn't really do anything. The other big thing is that Savard's contract isn't a 35+. He can retire at any time and it won't count against the cap.

I'm basing this on the fact the league has clearly signaled they are fed up with obvious cap circumvention. They investigated Pronger's original contact and they nullified the Kovalchuk contact. There were rumors floating around that they told GM's not to get carried away with contracts last offseason. My guess is you'll see a lot of the loopholes disappear in the new CBA. Given all that, I have a hard time believing they'd be perfectly fine with Pronger pretending he is making a comeback for 5 YEARS just to save the Flyers 5 million on the cap.

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A normal buyout divides the cap number by 2, and extends duration of contract to double. Are you saying this doesn't apply to 35+ contracts. That isn't something I was aware of, but I really didn't look into that.
Yeah. 35+ clause negates a buyout's effect on the cap number. It could end up saving the Flyers real money, but as far as the cap goes, that money is there no matter what.

Capgeek has a buyout calculator thats good for this type of thing:
http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php

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05-08-2012, 10:35 PM
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Someone correct me if i'm wrong but I'm pretty sure this is how it works:

For players under 30 when they signed their contract the buy out cap hit is 1/3

For players 30-34 when they signed their contract the buy out cap hit is 1/3 for double the length of the remainder of the contract (so effectively 2/3 overall)

35+ there is no cap relief
Pretty close. The Cut off age is 26.


Under 26, its 1/3 the contract value
Over 26, its 2/3 the contract value

Cap hit is spread out over double the length of the contract regardless of age I believe.



Edit: sorry for double post.

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05-08-2012, 10:36 PM
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Given all that, I have a hard time believing they'd be perfectly fine with Pronger pretending he is making a comeback for 5 YEARS just to save the Flyers 5 million on the cap.

Capgeek has a buyout calculator thats good for this type of thing:
http://www.capgeek.com/buyout_calculator.php
I doubt the league will take this away for existing contracts. And capgeek is great.

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05-08-2012, 10:37 PM
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J bow is on par with coburn in all aspects except for physicalilty.

he can also log 28+ minutes a game and he hasnt missed a game in like 3 or 4 years. He is terribly underrated imo and that contract , which wouldnt be an issue, is the reason for all his criticism.
So whats he get as a UFA? He gets like 7.5 now right? 6m? still no thanks.

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05-08-2012, 10:44 PM
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Given all that, I have a hard time believing they'd be perfectly fine with Pronger pretending he is making a comeback for 5 YEARS just to save the Flyers 5 million on the cap.
Can the league force him to retire? Cuz if he chooses not to, and isn't necessarily "trying" to come back, they can't deny him LTIR if he's medically unfit to play...

And I brought up Savard only because the league will have no problem with him chilling on LTIR for the rest of his contract, so they shouldn't have a say on Pronger's situation either.

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05-08-2012, 10:49 PM
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So whats he get as a UFA? He gets like 7.5 now right? 6m? still no thanks.
i could see anywhere from 4.5-5. Rememer he is still getting that 7.5 so he can be more flexible with salary and take less to play for a team he wants to play for.

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We just keep pronger on LTIR... and waive Bryz.

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05-08-2012, 11:02 PM
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another intresting thing we can do is Trade one of the contracts with a player and/or picks to a team that doesnt have an amnesty candidate such as the Oilers who will then use their amnesty on that player.
Edmonton would still have to pay that player, so they'd give us a big "**** no."

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05-08-2012, 11:05 PM
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Edmonton would still have to pay that player, so they'd give us a big "**** no."
Its possible but highly unlikely. Its also possible for us to take on to a team's amnesty contract as long as it comes with a player we need. Keep bryz and LTIR prongs.

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We just keep pronger on LTIR... and waive Bryz.
The NMC prevents Bryz from waivers?

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So whats he get as a UFA? He gets like 7.5 now right? 6m? still no thanks.
Cap Hit is 6.68M for two more years.

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The NMC prevents Bryz from waivers?
I meant using the amnesty rule on him.

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Okay, if you get rid of Bryz, who the is going to play in goal? Do you really see better options out there? The guy clearly is capable of being the number 1, and people are seriously overrating how "bad" his contract is.

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Okay, if you get rid of Bryz, who the is going to play in goal? Do you really see better options out there? The guy clearly is capable of being the number 1, and people are seriously overrating how "bad" his contract is.
There isn't really overrating the bad of this deal. He will be 35+ for 4 years of this deal and he isn't a mobile athlete now.

Totally different if we gave him this deal at 26/27. I'm not basing this off of his on ice play. Duration is too long.

And I think we could win with quite a few guys. Mike Smith was a du du butter castoff, and thats working out now. Play defense, goalie looks good (Brian Elliot).

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I want to give Bryz at least another year.

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05-08-2012, 11:23 PM
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Bryz isn't getting amnestied. He's going to be here awhile, accept it. Not that I'm anywhere even close to being on board with Bryz being the kind of goalie who will lead this team deep into the playoffs, but I'm coming to grips with the reality that Snider/Homer/Flyers hitched their wagon to him for the long haul. Improve the defensive personnel and structure and then see how he performs next season.

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There isn't really overrating the bad of this deal. He will be 35+ for 4 years of this deal and he isn't a mobile athlete now.

Totally different if we gave him this deal at 26/27. I'm not basing this off of his on ice play. Duration is too long.

And I think we could win with quite a few guys. Mike Smith was a du du butter castoff, and thats working out now. Play defense, goalie looks good (Brian Elliot).
Are people actually expecting Bryz to play for 9 years? I fully anticipate he retires before the end of his contract, he's only making like 3.5 mill combined in his last two years on that contract.

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I am pretty sure they won't be able to amnesty Pronger if he qualifies for LTIR. You can't buyout injured players.

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Are people actually expecting Bryz to play for 9 years? I fully anticipate he retires before the end of his contract, he's only making like 3.5 mill combined in his last two years on that contract.
Not alot of guys turn down free money.

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Goalie position is such a hard one to figure out. Look at Mike smith, amazing what a change in scenery and a change in styles can do for a goalie.

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Not alot of guys turn down free money.
3.5M isn't a lot compared to the other 47.5M he'll be getting.
I mean, that's one of the points of front loaded contracts.

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