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View Poll Results: Which system do you prefer?
Lavy's (Capitals pond hockey) 46 54.76%
Defense First (something that resembles forwards playing some sort of defensive system) 38 45.24%
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05-08-2012, 10:20 PM
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Which system do you prefer?

I liked Lavy when we hired him, but after watching this debacle I think the system needs to change. Most telling fact for me is that we're 0-13 in the last two playoff seasons when we score 3 goals or less.

I'm sick of Washington Capital pond hockey. Are you?

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05-08-2012, 10:23 PM
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Fast, physical high-tempo forecheck with defensive outlets up ice to cause the opposing team problems leaving their zone?

New Jersey just beat us at our own game.

It clearly isn't the system's fault.

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05-08-2012, 10:26 PM
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Fast, physical high-tempo forecheck with defensive outlets up ice to cause the opposing team problems leaving their zone?

New Jersey just beat us at our own game.

It clearly isn't the system's fault.
The Devils play the same game we do? Huh?

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You are so off the mark calling it Capitals Pond Hockey. Just because they scored a lot of goals doesn't make it pond hockey. Our system isn't why our defense sucks, it's the personnel.

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You are so off the mark calling it Capitals Pond Hockey. Just because they scored a lot of goals doesn't make it pond hockey. Our system isn't why our defense sucks, it's the personnel.
The total number of goals scored isn't why it is pond hockey. The defense doesn't suck, we just don't play very much of it. Attack, attack, and while attacking, attack some more.

Doesn't sound like a cup winning blueprint to me.

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You are so off the mark calling it Capitals Pond Hockey. Just because they scored a lot of goals doesn't make it pond hockey. Our system isn't why our defense sucks, it's the personnel.
I guess I missed the Flyers commitment to defense when the playoffs started, just like the Capitals have done under Dale Hunter.

Yeah the Capitals are loaded with Selke nominees.

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The total number of goals scored isn't why it is pond hockey. The defense doesn't suck, we just don't play very much of it. Attack, attack, and while attacking, attack some more.

Doesn't sound like a cup winning blueprint to me.
No it just sounds like how we beat Pittsburgh and how NJ beat us...

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I guess I missed the Flyers commitment to defense when the playoffs started, just like the Capitals have done under Dale Hunter.

Yeah the Capitals are loaded with Selke nominees.
And the Caps are going to be in the tee box with us this weekend. What's the point?

Jersey won with a relentless forecheck - same basic way the Flyers beat Pittsburgh.

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Defense. I think this team has the offensive talent to win games on the PP and breakaways alone.

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I vote the system where Michael Leighton presumably excelled and we were 1 goal away from going to Game 7 of the Cup Finals.

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If Pronger played against the Devils, this thread wouldn't exist.

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I vote the system that wins. I don't care if it's a 2-1-2, 1-3-1, 1-4, whatever. I want to win. I don't care how ugly or exciting it is.

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Lavy's style is very good but we just had the wrong personnel for it.

Lots of rookies, jagr and briere can get lost in it at times, and lack of offensive talent on the D end hurt the system.

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If Pronger played against the Devils, this thread wouldn't exist.
If Pronger, Mez and Lappy were able to play the Devils, we might be in the finals.

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I really think a lot of our forwards need work defensively.

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I prefer a system that wins aka keeps the puck out of our net

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Fast, physical high-tempo forecheck with defensive outlets up ice to cause the opposing team problems leaving their zone?

New Jersey just beat us at our own game.

It clearly isn't the system's fault.
This system killed us all season. Smae type Rangers used to beat us. Not sure why players are waiting until someone is on top of them to make a pass. Plays right into the system.

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Lavi's system is not really pond hockey. When its working the team can be quite tight defensively. But when you are constantly turning it over and not getting to pucks on the forecheck it's going to come back the other way on you.

For as much as I thought lavi needed to adjust his game plan and failed, what I really saw a lot of in this series was players making an awful lot of poor individual choices. When you play an up tempo drive up the ice style like this team does, there is little room for delayed and poor decisions. The Flyers from top to bottom were slow to make outlet passes and quick to force plays instead of making safe plays like you need to against a bottling team like jersey

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My questions about coaching are not about the system but about leadership and about adaptability. Lavy has a good system, and I think we should stick with it (and him) next year, but the FO needs to ask hard questions about his utter inability to change it when it stopped working.

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None of the choices suit me, I am in between.

The system (any system) is working if you have correct personnel that executes the system. Flyers did not have neither system, nore personnel, nor execution against Devils.

And I, also, think that Flyers had had some D system during the season- I consider effective forecheck as an effective defese, since you prevent aggressive attack by it, but the team needs a safety net if forecheck fails.

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We need to focus on blocking more shots. If you watch a team like the Rangers you'll see they're constantly getting sticks or bodies on the puck. Barely anything makes it through to Lundqvist and when it does, he makes the save.

Our strategy seems to be let Bryz have a clear few of the shot instead of making every effort to block it. Which didn't work out too well.

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This system killed us all season. Smae type Rangers used to beat us. Not sure why players are waiting until someone is on top of them to make a pass. Plays right into the system.
Because that's how we kill other teams. We pressure them, and they want to be patient.

NJ did not give us any breathing room. Nor should they have.

We needed to literally pound them into giving us more breathing, and no I'm no joking. You respond to that by being physical, something we really were not the entire series.

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The system itself isn't what cost us the series, it was the Flyers consistently playing the puck up the boards, especially from behind the net. Jersey utilized quick short passes to get it out of their end or they just flipped it to center. The Devils had a good game plan to take away the Flyers on the boards and they never adjusted. Playing a more defensive system would not have changed that.

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Nothing is the sole reason the series was lost. Clearly they missed Meszaros. Giroux's head shot is as dumb a play as you'll see. A number of key players played subpar hockey. The power play was dreadful.

But there's just no getting around the fact that the Devils were better prepared, better coordinated, better disciplined, and better motivated than the Flyers. And that falls on two men: the guy who got it done, and the guy who didn't.

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There are 30 teams in the league. One system wins every year, and they're always somewhat different. It doesn't matter what kind of system you play, if you get good matchups, get some lucky breaks, and are healthy you should go far in the playoffs. Also, the Flyers do not play Capitals pond hockey by any stretch of the imagination. Lavy's system has won a cup, and has gotten to the Stanley Cup Finals a second time. There is nothing wrong with the system.

The players were not capable of countering the Devils forecheck. They consistently made the wrong decisions, and were unable to play the puck. Some of that is on the coach, but a lot of it is on the players. The coach should have seen that his players didn't have the ability to handle the forecheck, and done something to help them. However, he cannot think for them, and he cannot play for them.

What happens on the ice is ultimately up to the players. All the coach can do is put them in a position to succeed and help where he can. I don't think he helped them enough, but I'm also not sure it would have mattered with the roster we had.

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