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05-09-2012, 01:52 PM
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Galchenyuk 2010–11 Sarnia Sting OHL 68 31 52 83
MacKinnon 2011–12 Mooseheads QMJHL 58 31 47 78
Yeah, but Mackinnon was the engine driving that team while, again, Galchenyuk had Yakupov, which he might've played on a line with or not (conflicting reports). Mackinnon also owned the playoffs while Galchenyuk has yet to prove anything in that regard. The impact both had on their team is not comparable with a stat sheet.

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to be fair, all of the top 5 this year have some question marks.

But, I would place Galchenyuk and MacKinnon in similar levels at 16, both came in playing complete two-way games with massive offensive upside. Galy's knee "seems" healed, but the Combine is designed to test that theory, and I am certain that any team with a top 5 pick that wants to take a peek at his doctors findings will be allowed to do so. At that point, it all comes down to the scouting dept.
I agree and have said the same thing. For some reason if you question Galy, half the board gets all their panties in a bunch and freaks the **** out.

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05-09-2012, 01:59 PM
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Yeah, but Mackinnon was the engine driving that team while, again, Galchenyuk had Yakupov, which he might've played on a line with or not (conflicting reports). Mackinnon also owned the playoffs while Galchenyuk has yet to prove anything in that regard. The impact both had on their team is not comparable with a stat sheet.
Nate owned the PO because he had some help from Drouin (late addition to the team this year) and Critchlow...the best 2-way line in the QMJHL Playoffs IMHO (yup...I'm a homer). But that doesn't take away from his top notch regular season.

Galchenyuk does need to show what he can do there, that's why whoever takes him will likely leave him in junior for another year, whereas MacKinnon is unlikely to stay in Halifax after he's drafted

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I agree and have said the same thing. For some reason if you question Galy, half the board gets all their panties in a bunch and freaks the **** out.
yup, people are a little jumpy....but 5 more weeks will only make it worse. That's why I try to give a little praise all around

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05-09-2012, 02:09 PM
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I'm sure playing with the leading point getter, Nail Yakopov had nothing to do with it. I suppose Robbie Schremp and S. Kostitsyn are better as well?
Yakupov was a late birthday 17 year old, not even old enough to be eligible for the draft, I'm sure it didn't hurt his production, but it was a 2 way street, Galchenyuk would set up Yakupov for some sweet goals.

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Yeah, but Mackinnon was the engine driving that team while, again, Galchenyuk had Yakupov, which he might've played on a line with or not (conflicting reports). Mackinnon also owned the playoffs while Galchenyuk has yet to prove anything in that regard. The impact both had on their team is not comparable with a stat sheet.
I'm not saying they are on the same level, but the fact that their stats are pretty close at 16 shows that Galcheyuk is a pretty special talent.

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05-09-2012, 02:15 PM
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I love spring.........but this year I can hardly wait for the first day of summer........bring on the draft.

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Not what people want to hear probably....but you have to expect at least 2 Q players in this draft. So make your pick. My bet is that we pick 2 or even 3 of Frk, Beauvillier, Lalancette, Hudon, Fournier and Bussières.

And we invite at our prospect camp Clapperton and Andrighetto.
Frk early in the 2nd if he falls but where does Beauvillier go? 4th maybe?

Andrighetto seems like a perfect fit, worth a 7th, or just wait and sign him?

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05-09-2012, 03:13 PM
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Frk early in the 2nd if he falls but where does Beauvillier go? 4th maybe?

Andrighetto seems like a perfect fit, worth a 7th, or just wait and sign him?
Beauvillier smells like a bust to me. Decent size and skating but not a good mind for the game.

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05-09-2012, 03:35 PM
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Love Andrighetto , dont know if he get pick or not but he's a heck of a junior player. he might get a look in the 6th or 7th round. We know habs scouting staff love those swiss kids.





-agreed on Beauvillier, terrible hockey sense. Skate very well and can play a physical game but doesnt make thing happen.

-Only guy i like from Whitenake list is Fournier all the other are Do not want or meh. I wouldnt mind Lalancette but not before 4th or 5th round.

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05-09-2012, 03:39 PM
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Love Andrighetto , dont know if he get pick or not but he's a heck of a junior player. he might get a look in the 6th or 7th round. We know habs scouting staff love those swiss kids.





-agreed on Beauvillier, terrible hockey sense. Skate very well and can play a physical game but doesnt make thing happen.

-Only guy i like from Whitenake list is Fournier all the other are Do not want or meh. I wouldnt mind Lalancette but not before 4th or 5th round.
Lalancelette is a tall skinny kid that could turn into a late round steal, he is a slick passer and put up 47 points in 63 games as a rookie in the QMJHL

Beauvillier is on a plateau...
16 in Lewy 61 GP 12-14-26
17 in Lewy 57 GP 11-14-25
18 in Rim 67 GP 23-11-34

Compare that to somebody like Holland who's production nearly doubled year to year.

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05-09-2012, 05:22 PM
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Love Andrighetto , dont know if he get pick or not but he's a heck of a junior player. he might get a look in the 6th or 7th round. We know habs scouting staff love those swiss kids.





-agreed on Beauvillier, terrible hockey sense. Skate very well and can play a physical game but doesnt make thing happen.

-Only guy i like from Whitenake list is Fournier all the other are Do not want or meh. I wouldnt mind Lalancette but not before 4th or 5th round.

At 1:00 minute your boy Grigorenko tried a fancy move and turnover resulting in goal.

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05-09-2012, 05:32 PM
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Are you joking?!?!?!?!

Pot calling the kettle black much!

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05-09-2012, 06:18 PM
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At 1:00 minute your boy Grigorenko tried a fancy move and turnover resulting in goal.
my boy ?

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05-09-2012, 06:59 PM
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2nd first round pick....

If we can manage to acquire a second mid to late first round pick...we should
attempt to draft Nicholas Kerdiles...C, 6'1, 200 lbs, great skater...aggressive
and highly motivated!!! Could be the next Max Pacioretty!!!

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05-09-2012, 07:01 PM
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Sven Andrighetto!!!

Sven Andrighetto ressembles Mats Naslund...small, solid, great skater and shifty.
I would love to pick him...4th or 5th round.

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05-09-2012, 08:28 PM
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Would you rather have ONE of the following FIVE

Galchenyuk
Grigorenko
Forsberg
Murray
Dumba


Or TWO of the following TEN

Maata
Gaunce
Faaksa
Reinhart
Colberg
Hertl
Aberg
Bystrom
Girgensons
Ceci


I only bring this up for the case being if Montreal was to trade their 3rd overall pick to a team like Tampa Bay, Washington, or Buffalo in exchange for two of their 1st rounders.

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05-09-2012, 08:44 PM
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Would you rather have ONE of the following FIVE

Galchenyuk
Grigorenko
Forsberg
Murray
Dumba


Or TWO of the following TEN

Maata
Gaunce
Faaksa
Reinhart
Colberg
Hertl
Aberg
Bystrom
Girgensons
Ceci


I only bring this up for the case being if Montreal was to trade their 3rd overall pick to a team like Tampa Bay, Washington, or Buffalo in exchange for two of their 1st rounders.
I'd go Grigs, Ceci and Reinhart.

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05-09-2012, 08:47 PM
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If we can manage to acquire a second mid to late first round pick...we should
attempt to draft Nicholas Kerdiles...C, 6'1, 200 lbs, great skater...aggressive
and highly motivated!!! Could be the next Max Pacioretty!!!
He's been my main target for the second unless some high value names fall off.

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05-09-2012, 08:51 PM
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Would you rather have ONE of the following FIVE

Galchenyuk
Grigorenko
Forsberg
Murray
Dumba


Or TWO of the following TEN

Maata
Gaunce
Faaksa
Reinhart
Colberg
Hertl
Aberg
Bystrom
Girgensons
Ceci


I only bring this up for the case being if Montreal was to trade their 3rd overall pick to a team like Tampa Bay, Washington, or Buffalo in exchange for two of their 1st rounders.
If im giving up one of those 5 I want one of the two to start with teuvo

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Would you rather have ONE of the following FIVE

Galchenyuk
Grigorenko
Forsberg
Murray
Dumba


Or TWO of the following TEN

Maata
Gaunce
Faaksa
Reinhart
Colberg
Hertl
Aberg
Bystrom
Girgensons
Ceci


I only bring this up for the case being if Montreal was to trade their 3rd overall pick to a team like Tampa Bay, Washington, or Buffalo in exchange for two of their 1st rounders.
Reinhart and Collberg would be a pretty killer combo to come out with.

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05-09-2012, 10:13 PM
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i wouldn't be surprised to see Reinhart goes in the top5, he's been rock solid for the oil kings in their playoff run.


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Another 2 points for Maatta tonight. Top 10 pick now?

I understand he's a different kind of player, but it seems silly teams can have Rielly ahead of Maatta and Reinhart at this point. These two have proven their worth in both the regular season and in the playoffs.

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05-09-2012, 11:12 PM
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Another 2 points for Maatta tonight. Top 10 pick now?

I understand he's a different kind of player, but it seems silly teams can have Rielly ahead of Maatta and Reinhart at this point. These two have proven their worth in both the regular season and in the playoffs.
That's some flawed logic. Rielly was injured this season and his team wasn't as good as Reinhart's or Maatta's. He can still be a better prospect in some eyes. Some say he has highest potential to be the best offensive d-man from this draft.

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Another 2 points for Maatta tonight. Top 10 pick now?

I understand he's a different kind of player, but it seems silly teams can have Rielly ahead of Maatta and Reinhart at this point. These two have proven their worth in both the regular season and in the playoffs.
Rielly played way, way better than Reinhart in the Moose Jaw/ Edmonton series even though he missed the whole season. He made the Oil Kings look like a bunch of pylons.

I can see some concern about his knee but Reilly is my 4th pick (virtual tie with Murray) in the draft after Yakupov, Gally and Teuvo.

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05-09-2012, 11:50 PM
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i wouldn't be surprised to see Reinhart goes in the top5, he's been rock solid for the oil kings in their playoff run.
He was good early on but Portland's speed and skill have really caused him to struggle in this series. Gernat has had to bail him out on multiple occasions. Certainly that's been the case with most of the d-core this series but it's still worth mentioning.

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