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Which WHL D-men could stick in the NHL this season??

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05-08-2012, 07:11 PM
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Martin Marincin could make the Oilers. They really need a PMD and he looked decent at the last camp. He's still on the thin side but I don't know if he's bulked up at all on the season.(6'4 187 but thats been the same since he was drafted)

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Murray. Maybe Reinhart. No way Dumba can. At least no way he should. Rielly shouldn't as well.

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Murray and Morrow imo

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That's quite a statement, because two separate NHL coaches felt he was deserving of 20+ minutes of ice time a game. I don't think anyone who has consistently seen him would say he's not ready. Perhaps being asked to do too much for Anaheim, but he is clearly an NHL player.
He is about -100 after two seasons.

Im no expert but have watched him several times in the last two years and quite a few times in his draft year with the Spitfires.

He seems to be regressing if Im being honest.

He should have been brought along more slowly imo.

That is hindsight gm'ing I know, but I believe a case could be made fairly easily.

He was borderline awful this year.

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Martin Marincin could make the Oilers. They really need a PMD and he looked decent at the last camp. He's still on the thin side but I don't know if he's bulked up at all on the season.(6'4 187 but thats been the same since he was drafted)
Marincin doesn't have a chance of making the Oilers next season.

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He is about -100 after two seasons.

Im no expert but have watched him several times in the last two years and quite a few times in his draft year with the Spitfires.

He seems to be regressing if Im being honest.

He should have been brought along more slowly imo.

That is hindsight gm'ing I know, but I believe a case could be made fairly easily.

He was borderline awful this year.
I have a hard time taking the rest of this seriously after the hyperbolic first statement. He is nowhere close to -100.

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I have a hard time taking the rest of this seriously after the hyperbolic first statement. He is nowhere close to -100.
He is closer to -100 than he is to even.

He had 29pts and was a -28 this year.

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Buffalo probably doesnt need him to, but I think Pysyk could step in next year.
I suspect he'll be high on their injury recall list, much like McNabb was this year. I don't think he'll make the team when camp breaks however, since it appears McNabb has the inside track on what looks like the opening on the Sabres blueline.

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He is closer to -100 than he is to even.

He had 29pts and was a -28 this year.
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Martin Marincin could make the Oilers. They really need a PMD and he looked decent at the last camp. He's still on the thin side but I don't know if he's bulked up at all on the season.(6'4 187 but thats been the same since he was drafted)
No he can't. He has the size, but he needs a year in the AHL to adjust to the pro game. Look at though, in two years, the Oil could be looking at 3 rookie d-men in Marincin, Musil and Klefbom, ha ha.

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Is it your contention that his game is progressing?

Why dont you break it down for us?

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Is it your contention that his game is progressing?

Why dont you break it down for us?
Yes, that is my contention.

Boudreau had no problem breaking up pairings or benching our biggest star players for entire periods, nor did it trouble him to break up lines and pairings if they came up short. That never happened with Fowler. He stayed on that top pairing for the entire year. It happened on occasion with Lubo, Sbisa, and Lydman, but not Cam. Keep in mind, we weren't lacking for a replacement, Lubo was our #1 last year, and led the entire NHL in points, he could have easily taken over for him, but he didn't.

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Duck fans can wax poetic all they want on Fowler but he is -53 in 2 years in the NHL. He is very poor 5 on 5 and would have been better suited with another year at least at Windsor. Yes he was rushed.

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Duck fans can wax poetic all they want on Fowler but he is -53 in 2 years in the NHL. He is very poor 5 on 5 and would have been better suited with another year at least at Windsor. Yes he was rushed.
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This is why Anaheim fans get frustrated with other fans who don't know what they are talking about in regards to Fowler.

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We dont agree with you so that means we dont know what we are talking about?

Ok then.

The only "evidence" you have put forward to support your position is that two recently fired coaches have decided to play him on the top unit.

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We dont agree with you so that means we dont know what we are talking about?

Ok then.

The only "evidence" you have put forward to support your position is that two recently fired coaches have decided to play him on the top unit.
No, you don't know what you're talking about when your entire argument is based on the +/- stat.

As for said coaches, you don't think it says something that two NHL coaches put him on the top pairing? You know better, right?

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BTW - I don't think many Anaheim fans would say he hasn't been rushed, but your contention is that he isn't an NHL player. You're wrong.

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He is closer to -100 than he is to even.

He had 29pts and was a -28 this year.
Also - 29 points was good enough to lead his team's blue line in points. Anaheim was awful this season.

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No, you don't know what you're talking about when your entire argument is based on the +/- stat.

As for said coaches, you don't think it says something that two NHL coaches put him on the top pairing? You know better, right?
No, my observations were that he wasnt progressing, and, in fact his game was regressing, based on watching the player play the last three seasons.

The +/- numbers and his box cars back that observation up.

Can you really tell us that you were happy with Fowler's play this year? Not even a little disappointed?

I disagree with what coaches do all the time. Doesnt make me right or wrong. Ive been both. So have they. Your point?

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BTW - I don't think many Anaheim fans would say he hasn't been rushed, but your contention is that he isn't an NHL player. You're wrong.
That wasnt a declaration, but its not that far from the truth at this point in time. Fact is he probably would have been better off developing in junior.

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Also - 29 points was good enough to lead his team's blue line in points. Anaheim was awful this season.
Both of these are true. But he did lead in PPTOI/G and was second in ESTOI/G.

He also played 12 more games than Visnovsky yet had only 2 more points, so the assertion that he led the team in scoring for dmen is a little misleading.

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How is it misleading? It's a fact. Really, I don't see why people put these aggressive expectations on Fowler despite it not even being 2 full years since he first threw on an Anaheim sweater. Most OFD's need 2 years in junior/minor before they can even step in and then 20 points is considered to be something impressive. Cam scores double that his first year and 9+ that his second year and somehow he's a seive. I'll never understand this.
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No, my observations were that he wasnt progressing, and, in fact his game was regressing, based on watching the player play the last three seasons.

The +/- numbers and his box cars back that observation up.

Can you really tell us that you were happy with Fowler's play this year? Not even a little disappointed?

I disagree with what coaches do all the time. Doesnt make me right or wrong. Ive been both. So have they. Your point?
He played with less fire. He lacked confidence and it was obvious. The games where he played with confidence, yes he look even better than he did last year. As a whole he looked better than last year. Not as much as I would've liked but he certainly didn't regress. I'd even argue that half of those minuses come from dumb puck luck, Hiller letting in soft goals, and Beauchemin not marking his man well enough. I can count at least 9 -'s that came from goals that went in right off the faceoff. And since he was playing on Getzlaf's line, who was atrocious 5 on 5, he never got much of a chance to add any pluses. We aren't worried at all. Disappointed? Somewhat, but he's pretty low on the list of players we're disappointed in this year. Also, we had 5 players in the top 30 scorers the season before. This year we didn't have one guy get more than 70. The entire team was awful as a group. Fowler didn't regress one bit. Going back to Windsor would do nothing for Cam's development. He was too good for the OHL.

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No, my observations were that he wasnt progressing, and, in fact his game was regressing, based on watching the player play the last three seasons.

The +/- numbers and his box cars back that observation up.

Can you really tell us that you were happy with Fowler's play this year? Not even a little disappointed?

I disagree with what coaches do all the time. Doesnt make me right or wrong. Ive been both. So have they. Your point?
I could also point to Team USA, where he's on the top pairing with Jack Johnson. Do you sense a pattern here?

His offensive game didn't progress. His defensive game took big steps. Was I disappointed? A bit, yeah, but I was much more disappointed with the team overall. You want to know who regressed far more than Fowler? Lydman, Visnovsky, Perry, Getzlaf, and Hiller's first half. The entire team took a step backwards, and you're trying to suggest that Fowler isn't NHL-ready based on his stats. Give me a break.

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That wasnt a declaration, but its not that far from the truth at this point in time. Fact is he probably would have been better off developing in junior.
We'll never know, will we?



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Both of these are true. But he did lead in PPTOI/G and was second in ESTOI/G.

He also played 12 more games than Visnovsky yet had only 2 more points, so the assertion that he led the team in scoring for dmen is a little misleading.
Yes, he only had 2 more points than the defenseman last year who lead the league in points and was ranked 4th in Norris votes. OH MY GOD! THE HORROR!

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