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05-09-2012, 04:07 PM
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It's a little premature to be thinking of or talking of whose going to be in the final before it's even been decided, surely?
Well no one here is even making that prediction. We're talking about TV ratings if they do happen to make it..

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05-09-2012, 04:08 PM
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The Devils - Flyers outdrew the Rangers- Caps on NBC (actual NBC) by approx 1 million viewers nationally..
Yeah BUT if it had been any other team vs PHI than NJ they would have out drawn them by 2 million!

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05-09-2012, 04:09 PM
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Yea the league has a fixed revenue stream from NBC regardless of viewers.

Btw, maybe I am a homer but the Devils seem like one of the most interesting teams atm. We are the most aggressive team left in the playoffs so defensive is no excuse and between the Kovalchuk fiasco, the failure last season, financial issues, and Parise as an upcoming UFA; I can't think of another team with so many scoring lines.
Freudian slip at the end?

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05-09-2012, 04:10 PM
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I think the league checked out anyway when they failed to get Pittsburgh past the first round. I mean who cares about the SCF if Crosby's not in it?

NYR v LA might be an okay runner's up prize, I guess. The ratings might be okay.

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05-09-2012, 04:12 PM
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Devils aren't bankrupt, they signed a guy to a 100m contract and always spend up to the cap hit. Really disproves your post too.
New Jersey Devils Appear Headed For Bankruptcy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...or-bankruptcy/

New Jersey Devils 24th In League Attendance

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance

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05-09-2012, 04:15 PM
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Yea the league has a fixed revenue stream from NBC regardless of viewers.
To argue that the NHL doesn't care about TV ratings is to argue that they don't care about being relevant, they don't care about sponsorship dollars (which are based largely on TV ratings), and don't care about growing the sport on a national level.

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05-09-2012, 04:17 PM
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I think the NHL will accept poor ratings for a year in hopes to build 2 struggling fanbases.

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05-09-2012, 04:17 PM
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Phoenix is the 12th largest TV market in the US and those fans will turn out for the SCF. Sure, Phoenix fans (the city, not the team) don't typically care during the regular season, but they show up during the playoffs.

Phoenix is not LA, but to talk about it like it is Casper, Wyoming is misguided.

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05-09-2012, 04:18 PM
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New Jersey Devils Appear Headed For Bankruptcy

http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozan...or-bankruptcy/

New Jersey Devils 24th In League Attendance

http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance
Devils fans pay much more money per ticket, meaning that in terms of revenue they are higher up then 24th. They also have a high TV viewership rate compared to other teams.

And, they are not bankrupt at all, the article said "heading into bankruptcy" with no sources and the team has not shown any indication going into bankruptcy at all.

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05-09-2012, 04:21 PM
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Yea the league has a fixed revenue stream from NBC regardless of viewers.
Yea but they get more money each time the contract is up by growing the sport.... you grow the sport by getting people to watch. Its honestly ridiculous that youre acting like the league doesnt care about ratings.


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No matter how it turns out, it'll more than likely be lower than normal.
I think LA-NY would be huge... Two very big markets that they can promote the hell out of and probably get a lot of exposure in 2 cities that sports historically do very well with sports.

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05-09-2012, 04:29 PM
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Devils fans pay much more money per ticket, meaning that in terms of revenue they are higher up then 24th. They also have a high TV viewership rate compared to other teams.

And, they are not bankrupt at all, the article said "heading into bankruptcy" with no sources and the team has not shown any indication going into bankruptcy at all.
The Devils average ticket price is 19th in the league. Most fanbases pay more.

http://seatgeek.com/hockey-nhl-ticket-prices

They were bottom 5 in RSN ratings.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/J...N-ratings.aspx

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05-09-2012, 04:31 PM
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I think the NHL will accept poor ratings for a year in hopes to build 2 struggling fanbases.
I think that argument has some merit for Phoenix but what would another Cup do for the Devils that 3 haven't done?

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Yea but they get more money each time the contract is up by growing the sport.... you grow the sport by getting people to watch. Its honestly ridiculous that youre acting like the league doesnt care about ratings.




I think LA-NY would be huge... Two very big markets that they can promote the hell out of and probably get a lot of exposure in 2 cities that sports historically do very well with sports.
And people will want to watch a sport in their city that they normally don't care about is when they make the finals. In the long run, this would be better.

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05-09-2012, 04:33 PM
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The Devils average ticket price is 19th in the league. Most fanbases pay more.

http://seatgeek.com/hockey-nhl-ticket-prices

They were bottom 5 in RSN ratings.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/J...N-ratings.aspx
That takes into account, if I'm not wrong, the size of the market (of which NY is a large one..)

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05-09-2012, 04:36 PM
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If the Devils make the Final, you'd better believe NBC would be touting "Zach Parise, American Hero" as much as they can. And they might actually get some play with that.

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05-09-2012, 04:37 PM
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NBC is very short-term focused in terms of what it wants.

The NHL is not so short-term focused. They have a new long-term contract with NBC. The NHL is concerned partly with ratings and partly with growing markets that have low interest but ample potential for growth.

The New Jersey Devils are in the New York market. They will draw.

Yet the Coyotes are in a perfect market for a Finals appearance. That's a large city with a modest interest in the NHL. Success can build a fanbase that will be solid for years at a stretch after a deep playoff run, years in which the team can cultivate more long-term fans.

If you generate more hockey fans, eventually those fans become viewers, and national TV ratings rise. NBC ends up happy too, even if in the short-term, they want would like to see Rangers-Kings every year.

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05-09-2012, 04:37 PM
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This is not a fanbase pile on thread, lets begin with saying that the matchup is a nightmare scenario.

In case you did not notice, Jersey fans pretty much punked (I hate that god damn word) the Philly fanbase who said they were going to invade during this series. The crowds were amazing and the building in Newark was louder and the tickets drew more cash on the resale market. Winning a series for once certainly helps that cause, of course.

The Devils/Ducks SCF was the highest rated final for almost a decade until recently, so there goes that theory.

Not to mention the Devils consistantly draw higher local TV ratings than the Kings, so again, there goes that theory about viewership.

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05-09-2012, 04:41 PM
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I think that argument has some merit for Phoenix but what would another Cup do for the Devils that 3 haven't done?
when was the last one? its all about now not the past. if that means 1500 more season ticket holders thats a lot more cash the team makes right?

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In case you did not notice, Jersey fans pretty much punked (I hate that god damn word) the Philly fanbase who said they were going to invade during this series.
Do you actually think its braggable that your fans outnumbered another teams fans in your own building?????? Isnt that pretty much normal for every team ever?

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Is New Jersey really a small market?
Their market is split. There are a lot of South Jersey Flyers fans and North Jersey Ranger fans.

Not to say they're small in the sense that the "attendance" jokes are true, but they're not as big as the Rangers.

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05-09-2012, 04:49 PM
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Do you actually think its braggable that your fans outnumbered another teams fans in your own building?????? Isnt that pretty much normal for every team ever?
When you live in a market surrounded by close away fans of older franchises who over-exaggerate this fact ad-nauseum, yes. We play in between the two biggest fanbases in the US not named Chicago or Detroit.

Sometimes I think some people forget how close Newark, Philly and NYC are.

When Flyers fans crowed about the impending orange invasion and our "cheap" tickets, only to show up in small numbers and to watch Devils tickets overtake Flyers tickets in price, then yeah, we can brag.

If they want to give it, we can give it back. Devils fans take enough garbage from people on this forum, its about time.

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Do you actually think its braggable that your fans outnumbered another teams fans in your own building?????? Isnt that pretty much normal for every team ever?
You're a Leafs fan, you know what your fanbase routinely does to the Senators and Sabres during their home games against you. The Devils have a similar situation. Two big market neighbours in close proximity with larger, more entrenched fanbases. Much tougher to have the arena rooting 100% for the home team.

The fact that Devils fans outnumbered Philly fans isn't noteworthy. It's a question of degree. When Flyers fans claimed they would be 20-30% of the attendance, and then the arena was virtually devoid of orange, it was pretty cool for Devils fans. Maybe it shouldn't be, but that's the way it is.

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Devils aren't the boring defensive... Take it from Pete Deboer "Our best defense is our offense" based around constantly having 3 guys forechecking and having control of the puck, puck possession. Without the puck the other team can't get anything done offensively. It can get really entertaining with the strong forecheck and all the cycling and break aways. Just because all forwards on the Devils are capable on both sides of the puck and can play defense doesn't mean they're boring. I'm sure if you'd watched some of our playoff games you'd know. Our d-men have really stepped up offensively this post season too.

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Kings/Rangers or I'm not watching either

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The Devils - Flyers outdrew the Rangers- Caps on NBC (actual NBC) by approx 1 million viewers nationally..
Due to the Devils-Flyers series being a division rivalry. And 90% of those in-market viewers were Philly fans and Rangers fans just watching and enjoying the teams hurting each other.

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