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NHL Amnesty: Pronger vs Bryz

View Poll Results: NHL Amnesty: Pronger vs Bryz
Pronger 23 27.38%
Bryz 61 72.62%
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05-08-2012, 11:54 PM
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I've been hard on Bryz this year, but I'd still like to see him back for another year. Sometimes with a new city, larger media market and big contract, all that combines for a rough first season. He showed flashes of being great when he was playing aggressive and challenging the shooter, so his success swings on his confidence. Hopefully an offseason will get Bryz in the right frame of mind, but if not, and this **** continues next year, well, cya.

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05-09-2012, 12:03 AM
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LTIR =/= capspace. And it is not a given that the league will simply automatically sign off on Pronger being on LTIR for 6 seasons in a row.
With all this banter about concussions, it won't be a problem with all. The league doesn't want to deal with that.


We need to know more about the amnesty rule, because if it's like in the NBA where you can wait a year (maybe longer?) it would make no sense to use it unless they feel they have to. They're not going to bail on Bryz after 1 year no matter what.

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05-09-2012, 12:11 AM
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Assuming this amnesty clause even happens, what would it be? One a year?

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05-09-2012, 12:13 AM
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Assuming this amnesty clause even happens, what would it be? One a year?
No, probably a one time deal.

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05-09-2012, 12:29 AM
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most people are being too hard on bryz. and we get rid of him who is the answer leighton? bob? there isnt really grade a options out there not to mention who else we need to resign. keep him another year and his space program and lets see how he does. people need to calm down. goalie is the toughest position to play

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05-09-2012, 12:44 AM
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Assuming this amnesty clause even happens, what would it be? One a year?
It would probably be one time thing that every team gets during the new cba. So for instance in the nba, its a 10 year deal and a team can use it once in those 10 years.

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05-09-2012, 12:46 AM
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Here is an intresting idea. What if we signed Suter to a 10 year 75 million dollar contract.

Then amnestied him, and then signed him to a league minimum for 10 years? Is that even possible. If so I should be a gm.

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05-09-2012, 01:03 AM
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id be more interested to see if the league abolishes the 35+ rule with the new CBA or not. If they did we would have to hope they allow prior 35+ contracts to be waived/retirement without consequence.
As far as waiving goes, they arent waiving Bryzgalov. Unless Bryz demands out we are stuck with him.

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05-09-2012, 02:26 PM
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Why isn't Danny Briere a choice in this poll?

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05-09-2012, 02:44 PM
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Why isn't Danny Briere a choice in this poll?
Because in comparison to the other two contracts listed above, it wouldn't make any sense.

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05-09-2012, 02:45 PM
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Why isn't Danny Briere a choice in this poll?
Because he has only 3 years left?

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05-09-2012, 03:14 PM
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Here is an intresting idea. What if we signed Suter to a 10 year 75 million dollar contract.

Then amnestied him, and then signed him to a league minimum for 10 years? Is that even possible. If so I should be a gm.
Can a player receive amnesty payments and a current salary? It seems like a win-win for the player if true.

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05-09-2012, 03:15 PM
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With all this banter about concussions, it won't be a problem with all. The league doesn't want to deal with that.
I think they would put up with it for a year or two, but not for 5 years. If anything I think the recent concussion push back will work against us given the severity of Pronger's injury. People would be saying "your going to make this guy go through the motions of trying to come back when he clearly doesn't belong anywhere near a hockey rink."

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Here is an intresting idea. What if we signed Suter to a 10 year 75 million dollar contract.

Then amnestied him, and then signed him to a league minimum for 10 years? Is that even possible. If so I should be a gm.
The league would be all over that so fast, the ink wouldn't even be dry on contract.

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05-09-2012, 03:37 PM
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Because in comparison to the other two contracts listed above, it wouldn't make any sense.
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Because he has only 3 years left?
6.5/yr is a pretty big cap hit for 3 more years of him. I would be interested in using that money elsewhere, that's the price for a real good defenseman. Briere would be the contract I amnestied.

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05-09-2012, 03:40 PM
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I don't know who I would want to get amnesty'd.

Pronger: If he stays on LTIR for life, the only problem is the off season. The only negative is if he sticks around, recovers like Bergeron and some others have, and returns to the lineup. His cap hit is too much for a team that's always at the top of the cap.

Briere: Shorter term, big cap hit, NMC that he wouldn't be willing to waive due to his family situation.

Bryz: Way too long term plus Snider's pride will not allow him to be waived after what happened last June. Plus, who plays net if he's bought out?

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05-09-2012, 03:45 PM
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6.5/yr is a pretty big cap hit for 3 more years of him. I would be interested in using that money elsewhere, that's the price for a real good defenseman. Briere would be the contract I amnestied.
You're crazy to amnesty his contract over Bryz and it is extremely short cited.

Yeah he makes a bunch of money, but Briere contributes and earns his pay. Pronger we can LTIR and use his money so it's really no harm/no foul. Bryz is a buffoon who we are stuck with for EIGHT YEARS.

Think about that. If we had signed Robert Esche to an 8 year deal in 2004 we would have just gotten him off the books. Do you realize how long 8 years is? Why in gods green earth would you want him in net for 8 years and holding our net and hope/dream hostage?

I would seriously consider Wade Reddening' Bryzgalov if he duplicates this years effort next season (would take Ed to recognize his humongous big mistake)

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05-09-2012, 05:22 PM
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I expect a amnesty if and only if the cap stays flat or drops.

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05-09-2012, 05:25 PM
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You're crazy to amnesty his contract over Bryz and it is extremely short cited.

Yeah he makes a bunch of money, but Briere contributes and earns his pay. Pronger we can LTIR and use his money so it's really no harm/no foul. Bryz is a buffoon who we are stuck with for EIGHT YEARS.

Think about that. If we had signed Robert Esche to an 8 year deal in 2004 we would have just gotten him off the books. Do you realize how long 8 years is? Why in gods green earth would you want him in net for 8 years and holding our net and hope/dream hostage?

I would seriously consider Wade Reddening' Bryzgalov if he duplicates this years effort next season (would take Ed to recognize his humongous big mistake)
About that... Bryz has a NMC.

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About that... Bryz has a NMC.
Yeah, the only hope of moving Bryz is if he goes to the KHL

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Pronger: If he stays on LTIR for life, the only problem is the off season. The only negative is if he sticks around, recovers like Bergeron and some others have, and returns to the lineup. His cap hit is too much for a team that's always at the top of the cap.
That's not really true. Having Pronger on LTIR for the rest of his contract will affect the average daily salary, likely ensuring that the Flyers are at the maximum daily cap hit for his entire contract.

If the Flyers were to use an amnesty clause to buy out a contract, I'd have to be in the Pronger camp. There is no possible way to remove Pronger's cap hit, but even guys with NMCs can be moved.

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About that... Bryz has a NMC.
My only hope is that he can't handle the pressure of the media and fans and retires. He got $10 million this year and if he starts to hate his job, maybe he will. He's wacky enough to do anything.

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Can Bryz be given the Huet treatment with his NMC? If he can, the amnesty ought to be used on Pronger...if there is one.

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That's not really true. Having Pronger on LTIR for the rest of his contract will affect the average daily salary, likely ensuring that the Flyers are at the maximum daily cap hit for his entire contract.

If the Flyers were to use an amnesty clause to buy out a contract, I'd have to be in the Pronger camp. There is no possible way to remove Pronger's cap hit, but even guys with NMCs can be moved.
Right, I forgot about that. Well knowing our luck, we won't have any amnesty happen and we'll be stuck with all 3 for their durations.

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One guy if he can play is well with his price tag. And if he can't play the room is some what freed up.

The other isn't even close to worth his contract.

No brainer.

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What does anyone here do in net if we amnesty Bryz?

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