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View Poll Results: Who's at fault for this year's debacle ?
Poile 7 50.00%
Scouting 3 21.43%
Trotz 10 71.43%
Ownership 3 21.43%
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05-09-2012, 06:09 PM
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What's wrong with blaming the players? Some of them showed up but most of them did not.

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05-09-2012, 06:16 PM
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What's wrong with blaming the players? Some of them showed up but most of them did not.
Shhhhhhhhhhhhh! havent you heard, its all Trotz's fault! We had the best roster in the whole league, and our coach blew it!

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05-09-2012, 06:43 PM
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~70% players
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05-09-2012, 06:54 PM
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Finishing #7 in the league is NOT a debacle.
I agree. Trotz could have done a better job as the coach. He didn't get everything out of the talent that he had. Trotz didn't miss any empty or half empty nets in the playoffs. Not finishing worked against Detroit but was deadly against Phoenix. Smith was like a wall. He out Pekka-ed Pekka.

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05-09-2012, 08:05 PM
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The Yotes and Preds are vere equally matched teams. Two wins apiece in the regular season (Yotes with more points). Three goals each in the last three playoff games. Both defensively oriented with solid goaltending as the basis. The proclamations that we are so much better from the Yotes are an indicator to me of minimal attention paid to the Yotes during the season.
They finished 7pts back, 6 wins back, while playing in a far worse division, eeking into the playoffs on the last weekend.

Despite the head to head record, there's no way these were equally matched teams.

We were 1-3 vs the Oilers, the 2nd worst team in hockey. Using that logic, the Oilers were far better than we were.

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05-09-2012, 08:15 PM
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They finished 7pts back, 6 wins back, while playing in a far worse division, eeking into the playoffs on the last weekend.

Despite the head to head record, there's no way these were equally matched teams.

We were 1-3 vs the Oilers, the 2nd worst team in hockey. Using that logic, the Oilers were far better than we were.
he likes to argue lol.. always swaying the numbers.. no matter how small they are.

we overlooked phoenix but we were the better team and theres no doubt about that. we got beat by a team that played like trotz

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05-09-2012, 08:17 PM
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We all know goalies are gamechangers. Its hard to "blame" Rinne for anything since he carries us frequently but let's be honest at 7 mil per, any game we score 3 goals in should be a win 9 time out of ten, and in this last series we were 0-2.

Over the course of the season we were a better team than phoenix but over these last 5 games Smith significantly outpayed Rinne and we didn't have enough offense to bail him out.

Keep the core together and make another run next year, which I have said all along is "the year" that poile has been building toward

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05-09-2012, 08:36 PM
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They finished 7pts back, 6 wins back, while playing in a far worse division, eeking into the playoffs on the last weekend.

Despite the head to head record, there's no way these were equally matched teams.

We were 1-3 vs the Oilers, the 2nd worst team in hockey. Using that logic, the Oilers were far better than we were.
Far worse division? Hmmmm, both teams in the conference finals are from that division. Three of four Central division teams were eliminated by that far worse division. While we feast on Columbus, they have a division full of teams that play hard against each other which helps account for a couple fewer losses. 5on5, the Yotes were better than the Preds through both the regular and post seasons. The Yotes are riding a goalie with a better regular season GAA and Sv% than Rinne.

We complain about people making comments about our team when it's very obvious they've paid little attention to the Preds all season. We have more than our share of posts about the Yotes which are based on similar ignorance.

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Nobody in your poll options plays hockey. None of the above.

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05-09-2012, 09:19 PM
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So this years excuse is a hot goalie and the bounces just didn't go our way. I love it. Every year it's something new as to why we don't advance or move forward. What's next year going to be, well, we lost Suter and a bunch of guys to free agency so it was more of a rebuild year for us but hey, we still made the playoffs?

Maybe it was the stars weren't aligned properly. Maybe it was the guys on the ice had a layoff and weren't prepared to play. Maybe our coach didn't change his strategy to figure out how to get around 5 guys getting in front of Smith and playing great team defense? Maybe it was our PP gone sour. At the end of the day it's just excuses. We got beat by a better team. Talent wise I think on paper we are better but Phoenix played a great team game. We didn't. We didn't have 20 guys on the bench each night buying into what got us there. Whether it's the players or the coaches blame, it doesn't matter. We're not watching hockey right now because of it.

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05-09-2012, 09:32 PM
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So this years excuse is a hot goalie and the bounces just didn't go our way. I love it. Every year it's something new as to why we don't advance or move forward. What's next year going to be, well, we lost Suter and a bunch of guys to free agency so it was more of a rebuild year for us but hey, we still made the playoffs?

Maybe it was the stars weren't aligned properly. Maybe it was the guys on the ice had a layoff and weren't prepared to play. Maybe our coach didn't change his strategy to figure out how to get around 5 guys getting in front of Smith and playing great team defense? Maybe it was our PP gone sour. At the end of the day it's just excuses. We got beat by a better team. Talent wise I think on paper we are better but Phoenix played a great team game. We didn't. We didn't have 20 guys on the bench each night buying into what got us there. Whether it's the players or the coaches blame, it doesn't matter. We're not watching hockey right now because of it.
I'm not watching hockey right now because there are no games on. I was a few minutes ago.

The Yotes beat us. They took advantage of their chances while our players didn't. We had a strategy that put our players in positions to succeed. Fisher had chances. Hornqvist had chances. Wilson had chances. Hell, even Yip had chances. Unless you expect the staff to walk out and score for them, all the coaches can do is put players on the ice in situations to do well. That happened repeatedly.

Of course, calling this season a debacle is laughable. This was a team where our own fans wrote us off before the puck dropped to start the season, and only doubled down on that position in the first four weeks of the season. "We don't deserve a win" ... "fail for nail" ... somehow always turn into "why the ##### didn't we win the Cup" (paraphrased).

A debacle of an over 100 point season. A debacle of 43 ROW. A debacle of a playoff series win over the Wings. That's the equivalent of going to the club and gettting a 9.5 to leave with us and moaning that the Victoria's Secret models didn't.

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05-09-2012, 09:49 PM
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I'm not watching hockey right now because there are no games on. I was a few minutes ago.

The Yotes beat us. They took advantage of their chances while our players didn't. We had a strategy that put our players in positions to succeed. Fisher had chances. Hornqvist had chances. Wilson had chances. Hell, even Yip had chances. Unless you expect the staff to walk out and score for them, all the coaches can do is put players on the ice in situations to do well. That happened repeatedly.

Of course, calling this season a debacle is laughable. This was a team where our own fans wrote us off before the puck dropped to start the season, and only doubled down on that position in the first four weeks of the season. "We don't deserve a win" ... "fail for nail" ... somehow always turn into "why the ##### didn't we win the Cup" (paraphrased).

A debacle of an over 100 point season. A debacle of 43 ROW. A debacle of a playoff series win over the Wings. That's the equivalent of going to the club and gettting a 9.5 to leave with us and moaning that the Victoria's Secret models didn't.
When did I ever say the season was a debacle? When did I ever say the moves in the offseason were the wrong ones? I was one of the ones that defended the moves and applauded Poile for taking a chance on the youth of the team and getting rid of aging vets. I believed in the team and the potential to build on what happened in the playoffs last year. I never thought or said "fail for nail".

Simple strategy question. You say Trotz put the guys in a position to succeed right? We gave up a first for Gaustad, a guy who is a faceoff specialist. We get creamed in the first game of the series in the dot. Who took the faceoff when they scored the game winner? I believe it was Fisher. Why was Gaustad not out there? Why was Gaustad not out there to try and win faceoffs on the PP? Trotz finally used him in that situation in game 5. You get a guy specifically for that role and don't use him. I agree that Trotz can't go out there and shoot the puck for Fisher and Hornqvist but he could've made other moves that could've helped address some of the issues we had against Phoenix.

Playing Yip consistently was a head scratcher for sure. He praises Tootoo for being hard to play against yet sits him instead of Yip. No one is afraid of Yip. People look over their shoulder when Tootoo is in the lineup. That intimidation factor could've been used to our advantage.

The PP strategy was another one that could've been modified yet it wasn't.

All that said, I was behind the team, still am, I just have to question is Trotz the guy to get it done for us behind the bench. Some people say yes and some people like myself don't think he is. Honestly, doesn't make either one of us more right than the next because until Trotz wins a Cup or we get another coach in and see how he does, we'll never know.

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05-09-2012, 09:53 PM
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It wasn't a debacle but it sure as hell was a disappointment. And it would not have been as bad if we lost in 7 games. But we lost in 5 and basically were outplayed in all the games except for one. And Trotz's unwillingness to make adjustments was part of those losses.

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05-09-2012, 09:55 PM
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None of the above. Players did not get it done when it really counted and bounces did not go are way.
This.

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Facts:

-Trotz won't be fired in the foreseeable future. To discuss/argue/etc about it is moot because it won't happen.

-Debacle of a season?? HAHA okay lets get a grip on this. Incredibly disappointing with the talent we have, and yes there are some things that need to be done, but come on, its not like we are the only team to ever lose when your the better team on paper. We got out hustled but one goal-one inch to the left-one extra poke check...in some of those games WE could have won in 5 (probably 6 since game 2 was awful). It's hockey people how long have we been watching it? Only one winner every year, 29 teams are probably not pleased either (Ask Vancouver or St. Louis how that cup feels? St. Louis made it from '79-'03 and did nothing!) Yeah, we lost, but placing blame on ONE group/person just makes those sound bitter.

-I think that everyone had a hand in the disappointing end. From Trotz to Rinne, everyone had their hand in it, no one person caused any of this. Didn't capitalize on our chances (had lots of them), they did. Credit Phoenix to the 1000 degree, they played like a team possessed.

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05-09-2012, 10:02 PM
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We are really witnessing a huge split in our fanbase right now. Half of us are fine with being consistently in the playoffs and having a shot at the cup every year, albeit an outside one. The other half are demanding change, which could bring us to the next level or crush us into a total rebuild.

Just because I think what we are doing now has us on the right path to the cup doesn't mean i "can't speak in anything other than excuses". It just means I understand that Trotz gives us a better shot at being competitive than any other available coach.

Well said.

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05-09-2012, 10:13 PM
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We are really witnessing a huge split in our fanbase right now. Half of us are fine with being consistently in the playoffs and having a shot at the cup every year, albeit an outside one. The other half are demanding change, which could bring us to the next level or crush us into a total rebuild.

Just because I think what we are doing now has us on the right path to the cup doesn't mean i "can't speak in anything other than excuses". It just means I understand that Trotz gives us a better shot at being competitive than any other available coach.
You know this how? There isn't one coach out there that could be better than Trotz? Are you limiting that statement to guys who have coached in the NHL before or anybody? If it's ones with NHL experience you may be correct but if it's anybody, I find it hard to believe there isn't an up and coming coach somewhere that could get the same results or better results than Trotz. McLean did pretty good with an Ottawa team that was destined to be a cellar dweller. Dineen did ok with a cast of retreads. I just think it's short sighted that we automatically assume there isn't anyone else out there that can do this job. Remember, Trotz was a guy with no track record and he did ok right? So tell me there isn't another guy out there like Trotz because I find it hard to believe there isn't anyone out there that is capable.

Here's the thing, we can keep Trotz and three things can happen, we progress, stay stagnant or fall behind the curve. If we hire a new coach those same three can happen. There is no guarantee Trotz will keep up his current pace, progress or fail. Same could be said about a new coach.

I'm going to ask a question and it's something to ponder for the Trotz supporters, at what point should he be replaced? I'm not saying, he should be gone tomorrow because I know that's not going to happen but at what point, as a hockey fan or as a GM or as a group of owners do you go, we need to change the coach? What is going to be that point for some or all of you? That may help me see where you're coming from a little bit more. Fair question? Looking forward to the response.

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I'm going to ask a question and it's something to ponder for the Trotz supporters, at what point should he be replaced? I'm not saying, he should be gone tomorrow because I know that's not going to happen but at what point, as a hockey fan or as a GM or as a group of owners do you go, we need to change the coach? What is going to be that point for some or all of you? That may help me see where you're coming from a little bit more. Fair question? Looking forward to the response.
I don't think there is one specific set of circumstances that tells you when a coach should get fired. It's more of a feeling type thing. I know that's incredibly vague...but the best I could describe is when the GM or owners no longer have confident in the coach's ability to lead the team to success.

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Those blaming Trotz, think about the position this roster is likely to be in next season. Likely significant turnover. I can't think of an experienced coach on the sidelines right now that I would trust to forge a new nucleus. If you are on the Blame TROTZ bandwagon, who do you put in his place? And yes, I do think it is legit to pose the question that way...
There isn't another coach ...as soon as Trotz retires or leaves the franchise shuts down..He does what Liarpold and Basillie both couldn't do ....we love him more than winning the cup...because there is no guarantee with any new coach that we can win whoever that may be ...it's a conundrum

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I agree. Trotz could have done a better job as the coach. He didn't get everything out of the talent that he had. Trotz didn't miss any empty or half empty nets in the playoffs. Not finishing worked against Detroit but was deadly against Phoenix. Smith was like a wall. He out Pekka-ed Pekka.
Really? Did you see our team throughout the year? We were horrible for the first quarter of the year. Bout the only bright spot then was Smith. Trotz brought this team along and then Poile added pieces that were missing, plus an upgrade from Smithson to Goose.

This team lost it's togetherness and intensity when Suter stuck his foot in his mouth in Ottawa. They played well in spurts, but they weren't the same "team". This is on the players; not playing the system down the stretch and in the POs consistently, the best players not being our best players when it counted, the selfishness of the distraction that Rads and AK pulled, and guys just flat missing the net.

I don't agree with Trotz decision to sit AK and Rads in game 4, and while I understand what he sees in Yip, I'm not sure I'd have sat Willy and Smith all that time when we were hurting for goals. But in the big scheme of things - he took a young and pretty poor team and finished ahead of Detroit and beat them in the POs. If the coaches get some blame, it's no more than 10%. Likewise - Poile; after getting AK, might not have been the best idea to get Rads. Yes, Rads is superior, but there is something about working the guys in, developing chemistry, etc. Could give him a few points of blame.

But - it's the players. 85+%. They missed the open nets. They made the stupid passes. they got beat deep in their own zone.

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I still fail to comprehend how being in the playoffs every season and having good chances to make a run and happening to fall short is worse than rebuilding, going all-in with a new philosophy with the intention of hoping to get a Cup.....eventually......as if it's that easy. Here's another fun tidbit: Every team needs some luck, big breaks and good bounces along the way to get to that Holy Grail, and we are in a good position to try making that run every season. Some people like to talk about Trotz's "system" failing, thinking that we don't have the "leadership", we "can't make that step forward", etc. That's pretty harsh for a result that happens to 29 out of 30 teams in the league every year, which is of course not winning the Cup. Or for those that want to say it was WCF or failure this year, it's a result that happens to 26 of 30 teams. ECF teams included.

I get it, we felt we were in a great position for a run this year. I agree with this. I also agree that 8 or 10 teams in the league were/are probably in a great position. But I want to ask this: What are the flaws in Trotz's system that hold us back? I'd really like to know. What coach would anyone suggest for us that would justify firing Trotz because he just can't make the conference finals? Keep in mind we still have no elite offensive firepower and still make the playoffs every season, and always get knocked out by teams with more resources than we do. Yeah this year sucked because we're probably the better team, but this happens to tons of teams every season and doesn't justify an overhaul of personnel.

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We all know goalies are gamechangers. Its hard to "blame" Rinne for anything since he carries us frequently but let's be honest at 7 mil per, any game we score 3 goals in should be a win 9 time out of ten, and in this last series we were 0-2.
Good thing then that his salary this year wasn't 7 mil. Maybe next year when it actually gets a bump from 3.4, he'll be twice as good!

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I'm tempted to start including May in that list at this rate. This is beginning to remind me of the witchhunts up here around the Nat.
See that guys, you are acting like CBJ fans. Shame, just shame. Go sit in the box and feel shame.

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The players were in the right spots to win games. Fact is they did not do their job when it came down to it. That is not the coaching staffs fault. IT IS THE PLAYERS! They trusted in them and they let the coaches and the fans down. I expect some big changes on the fowards front. I would rather go through the bumps of Smith, Wilson, Borqi, etc than to watch vets like SK, Legwand, Fisher, etc simply not get it done. They just flat out could not get it done.

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I'm going to ask a question and it's something to ponder for the Trotz supporters, at what point should he be replaced? I'm not saying, he should be gone tomorrow because I know that's not going to happen but at what point, as a hockey fan or as a GM or as a group of owners do you go, we need to change the coach? What is going to be that point for some or all of you? That may help me see where you're coming from a little bit more. Fair question? Looking forward to the response.
I think as long as he makes the playoffs he is safe, no matter the talent. The preds have proven to be a very loyal organization, and Trotz stuck with the team through turbulent times and came out better for it.

I think he would be allowed one terrible year, as long as the terrible year is due to an injury to pekka, or multiple injuries where we are icing AHL lines again for a good part of the year. Now, follow that with a terrible year where it is clear guys aren't buying in defensivly, than I would seriously consider letting him go. But even before that, I think he would be given the opportunity to can his assistants first and give it a third year, and mid year if we suck, bye bye.


Thinking about assistants though-last year Dallas interviewed Horachek, and so did Min I think. Does he get a shot now? I know Montreal would be a no, but would Toronto, Anaheim, Columbus, Chicago if Quinville goes to MTL give him a shot?

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