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05-10-2012, 12:57 PM
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I was the one who made the Spezza comparison. I was just stating in vaccuum you can't compare Grigs last year and Spezza in his draft since they are many different circumstances that make the situations unique.
One thing about Spezza: if my memory serves me correctly, he was pretty much the consensus no.2 pick after Kovalchuk.

Grigorenko's ranking is all over the map.

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05-10-2012, 01:15 PM
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Evgeny Grigorenko or Jonathan Galchenyuk

no one else.
Do you mean Mikhail Grigorenko and Alex Galchenyuk?


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Do you mean Mikhail Grigorenko and Alex Galchenyuk?

I think you missed something here...

Anyway, like it's been said, Grigorenko's play has nothing to do with Malkin's.

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Do you mean Mikhail Grigorenko and Alex Galchenyuk?

Not sure he was being literal. Unless I'm completely wrong, it looks like he changed the first names to match the players they've been compared to -> Malkin and Toews respectively

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Do you mean Mikhail Grigorenko and Alex Galchenyuk?

^^^^^unaware

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Do you mean Mikhail Grigorenko and Alex Galchenyuk?

It's posts like these that keep me going.

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Do you mean Mikhail Grigorenko and Alex Galchenyuk?

No he meant Mikhail Malkin and Alex Toews

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Got a feeling that we gonna end up with Yakupov !

Edmonton will pick Murray
Columbus will pick Galchenyuk


The next coach would have fun controlling two wild horses like Yakupov and Subban...

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I think you missed something here...

Anyway, like it's been said, Grigorenko's play has nothing to do with Malkin's.
Obviously I did.

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Wow... why? because he's bigger?
Honestly, differentiating between which defenseman is better depends entirely on how you rate players. Some people would rather Shea Weber than Lidstrom. They may be looking for the meaner, rough and tumble guy with the big shot. Others might prefer the calm and effective manner that Lidstrom controls the game.

I like special qualities out of my defenseman. For me, I'd rather the guy who can change the game with a big hit on the back end, a big goal on the PP, or the end to end rush that makes something out of nothing. Murray will manage the game, be a safe player to have out there in all situations but I don't think he will excel anywhere and I don't think he's the guy who can change a game.

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I don't think it's flawed logic. I just find it odd that Maatta and Reinhart have shown serious progression, yet they are ranked below a player that's been out almost all season.

I have a feeling either one or both of them will end up being picked before Rielly.
I think Reinhart get pick before Rieilly. Maataa ? i know he's having a strong playoff but is not a top10 to me and not even close to Rieilly

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Honestly, differentiating between which defenseman is better depends entirely on how you rate players. Some people would rather Shea Weber than Lidstrom. They may be looking for the meaner, rough and tumble guy with the big shot. Others might prefer the calm and effective manner that Lidstrom controls the game.

I like special qualities out of my defenseman. For me, I'd rather the guy who can change the game with a big hit on the back end, a big goal on the PP, or the end to end rush that makes something out of nothing. Murray will manage the game, be a safe player to have out there in all situations but I don't think he will excel anywhere and I don't think he's the guy who can change a game.
But he would be well paired with Subban. Dumba is very similar to Subban in style of play. Which is awesome. But I like having a bit of the Ying and Yang in a defensive pair. TBH both Murray and Dumba will be good choices for a team in the top 10, and as you said, it's all in what that team wants.

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05-10-2012, 02:02 PM
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It'll come down to Yakupov or Galchenyuk. I believe Murray and Forsberg will go #1 and #2.

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But he would be well paired with Subban. Dumba is very similar to Subban in style of play. Which is awesome. But I like having a bit of the Ying and Yang in a defensive pair. TBH both Murray and Dumba will be good choices for a team in the top 10, and as you said, it's all in what that team wants.
I don't want a D with our pick at all. I am speaking out as a draft enthusiast not a Habs scout.

A Habs scout I'm not considering D until the later rounds knowing where our prospect pool lies. Unless someone too talented is available. I don't think Murray or Dumba are too talented to neglect the need of a game breaking forward.

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05-10-2012, 02:04 PM
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It'll come down to Yakupov or Galchenyuk. I believe Murray and Forsberg will go #1 and #2.
If Edmonton is picking Murray then they trade down.

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It'll come down to Yakupov or Galchenyuk. I believe Murray and Forsberg will go #1 and #2.
I can't see Yakupov sliding to #3, he will go #1 either to Edmonton or by trade. Even in the unlikely event Edmonton passes I think CBJ would either risk another Russian or trade down.

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05-10-2012, 02:33 PM
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It'll come down to Yakupov or Galchenyuk. I believe Murray and Forsberg will go #1 and #2.
That appears to be a safe bet and I'm not sold on any of the Belarussian or Russians,Bergevin & Timmins get to interview them and put them through the Habs Combine after the original one in Toronto.They will know who they want after all those are done and if the draft order changes their draft list will predict from there.I have more confidence in the Habs now than any time since 1979-80 season finished.It looks like there will be order and stability from the top to the bottom of the organization again.Finally the decisions that are made will be well thought out and a winning attitude will permeate the system,drawing high profile UFA's to Montreal Canadiens once more.

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05-10-2012, 02:41 PM
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Do you mean Mikhail Grigorenko and Alex Galchenyuk?

I think he's trying to compare them to Malkin and Toews.

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05-10-2012, 03:01 PM
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Personally I think Trouba will end up the best defenseman of this draft..

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05-10-2012, 04:09 PM
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One thing about Spezza: if my memory serves me correctly, he was pretty much the consensus no.2 pick after Kovalchuk.

Grigorenko's ranking is all over the map.
well it's not like the 2001 draft was loaded at the top end. I'm curious where Grigs would be ranked if he had grownup in NA and developed completely in the CHL...

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It'll come down to Yakupov or Galchenyuk. I believe Murray and Forsberg will go #1 and #2.
I guess we take yakupov, call pleckanec and tell him we found a winger for him.

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It'll come down to Yakupov or Galchenyuk. I believe Murray and Forsberg will go #1 and #2.
I agree. That's how I see it coming down as well. If it does, interesting question, who will Timmins go for, Yaks or Gals? I think those 2 are a lot closer than most people think.

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I can't see Yakupov sliding to #3, he will go #1 either to Edmonton or by trade. Even in the unlikely event Edmonton passes I think CBJ would either risk another Russian or trade down.
I think trading down this year is riskier than other years because it's anyone's guess who any team will take or really wants. We speculate here but there's nothing lost if we're wrong. If Edmonton and CBJ speculate and are wrong, they could lose out on the guy they want. Now if they're happy with one of a few different guys fine, trade down, but if they have one guy in particular they want, like Murray and Forsberg, they better grab them or they might not be there when their turn rolls around if they trade down.

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05-10-2012, 05:23 PM
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I think trading down this year is riskier than other years because it's anyone's guess who any team will take or really wants. We speculate here but there's nothing lost if we're wrong. If Edmonton and CBJ speculate and are wrong, they could lose out on the guy they want. Now if they're happy with one of a few different guys fine, trade down, but if they have one guy in particular they want, like Murray and Forsberg, they better grab them or they might not be there when their turn rolls around if they trade down.
Most people have the top 6-7 guys pretty close so missing out one one guy means there could be one as good there to draft. If Edmonton trades from #1 to #5 I'm sure they have 2-3 guys that they know they have to chose from.

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05-10-2012, 06:00 PM
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Most people have the top 6-7 guys pretty close so missing out one one guy means there could be one as good there to draft. If Edmonton trades from #1 to #5 I'm sure they have 2-3 guys that they know they have to chose from.
I'm pretty sure the top 7 will be a lot different from one team to another. It's always like that...

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