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Would you take Carle back?

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05-10-2012, 03:48 PM
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1.5M $

wow i wouldnt take him back for used pucks..

simply put i want him and his godam constant brain farts down the road..

hopefully to another team in our division so we can make use of his stupidity all season long..
I agree with all of that. I know very well he wouldn't take 1.5 million, but thats what a weak 3rd pairing d-man could go for. I would rather not see him at all but if I HAD TO, he would be part of the third pair

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05-10-2012, 03:58 PM
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I'm not a huge fan..I think his current contract is actually somewhat fair value already for what he brings however other teams like Detroit I think are willing to overpay. It's all about value really.

He does deserve a raise if you judge that his workload increased (minutes) and he handled it fairly well. However, if we can replace him with Suter it would make more sense. The other option is for the Flyers to knock him down the depth chart and lower his minutes (minus the injury factor) so that he's less prone to being a liability with his brain farts.

Finally, he must learn to shoot better and on NET! Carle reminds me a bit like Doug Crossman (also became a bit of a goat) but at least Crossman was better at getting the puck on net. His D was inconsistent at times and I think Carle is a bit better in that respect but not by too much...

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05-10-2012, 04:32 PM
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Positives about Carle:

~ Played all 82 games. No glaring health concerns.

~ Doesn't hit, but blocks a lot of shots. Led our defense this year likely because of games the others missed, but he still gets in the way of 'em.

~ Good outlet pass, and is good at moving the puck up ice (key in our system).

~ Makes mistakes and has a decent amount of giveaways, but pair him with a Pronger-lite -- instead of Gustafsson, Bourdon or bad back/torn knee ligament Timonen -- and he'll do great.

~ Showed in the playoffs this year that he can step up and produce offensively and is good at jumping up along the left wall in the offensive zone. Scored against NJ like that and also provided the big assist on Voracek's OT winner.

Obviously he's been thrown under the bus around here but unless we're getting Ryan Suter, Matt Carle will be hard to replace unless we want to pay Wideman $5.5million. Which is the key in keeping him, it's logical UNLESS we're getting Suter.

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05-10-2012, 04:35 PM
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Carle hatred comes from 3 things IMO:

1- Weak wristers into defenders shins over and over (especially on 2nd unit PP)
2- Periodic brain lapses leading to inopportune turnovers
3- Soft

Other than those issues, he is a good player. I cannot get over the above issues though.

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05-10-2012, 04:35 PM
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I don't want him re-signed for the money that I expect him to get, but he's more important to the team than most people give him credit for.
This perfectly sums up my opinion on Carle.

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05-10-2012, 04:38 PM
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Carle hatred comes from 3 things IMO:

1- Weak wristers into defenders shins over and over (especially on 2nd unit PP)
2- Periodic brain lapses leading to inopportune turnovers
3- Soft

Other than those issues, he is a good player. I cannot get over the above issues though.
See, this is a perfect assessment. It's ok to say "I cannot get over the above issues". That's a perfectly acceptable position.

When people act as if he is barely a 3rd pairing guy, or that they wouldn't even take him for sub 2 million, I can't help but facepalm.

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See, this is a perfect assessment. It's ok to say "I cannot get over the above issues". That's a perfectly acceptable position.

When people act as if he is barely a 3rd pairing guy, or that they wouldn't even take him for sub 2 million, I can't help but facepalm.
Carle is in my top 4 all time hated Flyers with Therien, Randy Jones and Amonte, but I can admit the hatred is a little irrational.

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05-10-2012, 04:42 PM
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Carle is in my top 4 all time hated Flyers with Therien, Randy Jones and Amonte, but I can admit the hatred is a little irrational.
Kudos to you.

I hate JVR, but I'll never act as if he's garbage.

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05-10-2012, 04:46 PM
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Just not a fan, makes way to many blunders, and his cons far out weight his pros. If he wants under 3 mil per then we can talk, but he just isn't worth the head ache of more than that.

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05-10-2012, 04:54 PM
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I vote Yes to take him back. However, it isn't as simple as that. At 5+ million, probably not. At similar money as Coburn, yes.

Other teams value Carle. He is MUCH better than people give him credit for. A few turnovers here and there and he is the worst D-man in the league. It just isn't true. He just isn't 5+ million good. I'd sooner go 7+ million for 8 years with Suter.

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05-10-2012, 05:09 PM
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I don't want him re-signed for the money that I expect him to get, but he's more important to the team than most people give him credit for.
Same here. I'm expecting 5-5.5 a year, and although that may be the going rate for a guy like Matty Cakes, I'd rather not be the team giving it to him. I voted no assuming those numbers hold true.

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The only way I want him back is at Grossmann money or less, and that isn't going to happen.

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05-10-2012, 05:42 PM
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Yes. Carle is easily the most underrated Flyer and is much better than people think. I would give him $5M a year. If you lose Carle you absolutely have to sign Suter because we'd be getting thin on puck movers. The ideal would be to re-sign Carle and sign Suter.

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05-10-2012, 05:44 PM
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At 82 games, over 22 minutes/game, 40 points and playing with a revolving door of lackluster defensive partners, Matt has done well. Now, if fans can't get over the fact that he has, in their minds, a weak shot and isn't physical, well they're acting more like fans wanting a specific type of a defenseman rather than one who eats minutes and accumulates points, which is fine, to each their own. I wish he would sign with Colorado, but that won't happen because Kroenke only spends money on the Nuggets. Given Matt's nature, he probably would take a hometown discount to play in such a great hockey city, so I think he will sign with Philly at a $4.25 hit, which fairly values his services.

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05-10-2012, 07:50 PM
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I've seen him hang out with an opposing forward in front of our goalie for the last time

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He might be a need-to-have at this point. Likely no Pronger, and Timonen nearing the end, might not have a choice.

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I'm not sure how to answer the question, other than that it depends on the amount of money given to him. I don't think he's as bad as a lot of people here think, and while he has his fair share of breakdowns, he also makes really good plays that might go unnoticed. For example, without him taking away Parise, we wouldn't have scored that goal in game 5 vs. the Devils. It's hard to say whether the good plays outweigh the bad ones, but I guess you have to take him as a whole and not just concentrate on one of the two extremes. I would like him back if he doesn't get more than $4 mio.

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He's not capable of being effective as a #1 or #2

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I've seen him hang out with an opposing forward in front of our goalie for the last time
"Whoa! That's Sidney Crosby! Man...he's one of the best hockey players in the world. It sure is neat to be playing with him. Look at that! He just effortlessly skates by right towards the goalie. And he scores! That was awesome. I'm glad I didn't try to stop him, that was just such a treat to watch. 10/10"

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If you handle the puck you turn it over. That's just fact. I really, REALLY don't even like Carle very much but I feel the need to defend him.

Carle was 25th in the NHL in giveaways as a D-man.

Guys with more turnovers than him...some pretty good names in here.

John Carlson
Jeff Petry
P.K. Subban
Erik Karlsson
Dion Phaneuf
Brent Burns
Keith Yandle
Jake Gardiner
Kevin Bieksa
Zdeno Chara
Dennis Wideman
Dan Boyle
Filip Kuba
Drew Doughty
Carl Gunnarsson
Mark Streit
Hal Gill
Dan Hamhuis
Dan Girardi
Jay Bouwmeester
Luke Schenn
Brent Seabrook
Andrew MacDonald
Dustin Byfuglien

Yes he can't shoot at all, and he's pretty soft, but he's just really not that bad. Carle is the perfect example of Confirmation Bias.

I'm not saying I agree with this article entirely, because I do NOT think he is Ryan Suter, but the there is some truth here. See how he compares, to Chara, Keith, Doughty, Kimmo, Weber, Suter, and Yandle.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...ee-agency-2012

Thanks for digging up that info...some very interesting facts there.

25 giveaways though?!?! Are you sure they're counting the entire season? I would have thought he'd have been at 25 giveaways at the AS break!

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Thanks for digging up that info...some very interesting facts there.

25 giveaways though?!?! Are you sure they're counting the entire season? I would have thought he'd have been at 25 giveaways at the AS break!
I think he means 25th in the league in giveaways, not 25 overall.

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Although I have been a long time "supporter" of him earning his keep, his time here has passed.

The money he will require can be put to better use.

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I still think, that even if we sign him, we should still go out and get someone. Garrison instead of Suter, since he would be cheaper?

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No. Thank. You.

Someone will overpay, and it can't be us, it just can't be.

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I hate to admit it but no Pronger, No Kimmo and no Carle means no playoffs. It goes against every fibre of my being but there's too much uncertainty with the first two, to let him walk.

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