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Marc Crawford 23 16.67%
Bob Hartley 47 34.06%
Michel Therrien 11 7.97%
Patrick Roy 49 35.51%
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05-10-2012, 02:48 PM
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I think just the opposite. Roy UNDERSTANDS what a goalie is all about. He has helped every goalies that had played under him in Quebec.
I hope thats the case. Cuz right now, hes probably turning into my top choice.

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I liked Carbo as coach but always found the Habs didn't have much of a structure. They always seemed more like a run and gun team which is fun to watch but doesn't usually equate to a Cup. Despite his fantastic record when he was canned, there must be a reason he hasn't had so much as a sniff from any other NHL team after he was let go. Strange, no?
Yes, very! I see this as a huge red flag. So many teams have changed coaches in the last few years. Thrashers became Jets and not even an interview for Guy when the new owners decided to make whole-sale changes. Florida? Jersey? Even as an assistant or development coach.

Why no love for Carbo? Something must be up.

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Why no love for Carbo? Something must be up.
Carbo has repeatedly said that he's comfortable where he lives and doesn't intend on moving. His hips are in real bad shape man.

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I'm sorry, I loved Carbo as a player and was thrilled when they hired him to coach, but he was awful. Yes, in year 1, before the damage was done, they won the Conference. I can't remember how the playoffs went

But over time, the team clearly wasn't improving. The scariest part were the individual declines I was seeing. Skill guys like Higgins got to the point where they couldn't make a 10-foot pass. In fact, the team's passing game was embarrassingly bad by the end of Carbo's tenure. It was fairly clear that practices weren't balanced affairs under that regime. The skill development and offensive drills had to be lacking.

I shudder at the thought of going back to that abyss where the team couldn't complete two passes in a row. It was equal parts frustrating and sickening.

Of all the former coaches tapped to return, he scares me the most.

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I know a few players didn't like him, I know for a fact that Ryder did not like him

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Its not my intention to stir up a whole English vs French thing.
The French side will always insist the the coach MUST speak french.
The English side always says hire the best possible guy regardless of language.
As an English Montealer I think its just a fact of life that the coach needs to speak french, there is just no way around that.

From the look of the names being discussed on this board ( Therrien, Crawford, Hartley) were just talking about recycling guys just because they speak French. I don't want any of those guys near this team, I would even prefer Roy over those names.
Is Roy the only viable candidate out there that could provide some new blood/energy/vision. Are there no French speaking coaches in the Q? AHL?

I just hope that Bergevin is doing his due diligence for the coaching position and NOT just looking at what the fans/media are putting out there.

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Its not my intention to stir up a whole English vs French thing.
The French side will always insist the the coach MUST speak french.
The English side always says hire the best possible guy regardless of language.
As an English Montealer I think its just a fact of life that the coach needs to speak french, there is just no way around that.

From the look of the names being discussed on this board ( Therrien, Crawford, Hartley) were just talking about recycling guys just because they speak French. I don't want any of those guys near this team, I would even prefer Roy over those names.
Is Roy the only viable candidate out there that could provide some new blood/energy/vision. Are there no French speaking coaches in the Q? AHL?

I just hope that Bergevin is doing his due diligence for the coaching position and NOT just looking at what the fans/media are putting out there.
while being from the area he didnt spent his last 30 years in QC or around the Habs org, so MB is probably not looking at the same names or at the very least has a few more on his list.

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Its not my intention to stir up a whole English vs French thing.
The French side will always insist the the coach MUST speak french.
The English side always says hire the best possible guy regardless of language.
As an English Montealer I think its just a fact of life that the coach needs to speak french, there is just no way around that.

From the look of the names being discussed on this board ( Therrien, Crawford, Hartley) were just talking about recycling guys just because they speak French. I don't want any of those guys near this team, I would even prefer Roy over those names.
Is Roy the only viable candidate out there that could provide some new blood/energy/vision. Are there no French speaking coaches in the Q? AHL?

I just hope that Bergevin is doing his due diligence for the coaching position and NOT just looking at what the fans/media are putting out there.
I agree. Everyone and their dog is reporting that experience will be the key factor. I sure hope it's not. In NHL terms, experience is often a pseudonym for "already failed."

Forgive me if it has been stated already, but does Gallant speak French? I hope guys like him are considered amongst a few other non-NHL options. Dineen did just fine this year. Dale Hunter is coming along just fine. There are countless examples of gems mined from unexperienced backgrounds.

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I'm sorry, I loved Carbo as a player and was thrilled when they hired him to coach, but he was awful. Yes, in year 1, before the damage was done, they won the Conference. I can't remember how the playoffs went

But over time, the team clearly wasn't improving. The scariest part were the individual declines I was seeing. Skill guys like Higgins got to the point where they couldn't make a 10-foot pass. In fact, the team's passing game was embarrassingly bad by the end of Carbo's tenure. It was fairly clear that practices weren't balanced affairs under that regime. The skill development and offensive drills had to be lacking.

I shudder at the thought of going back to that abyss where the team couldn't complete two passes in a row. It was equal parts frustrating and sickening.

Of all the former coaches tapped to return, he scares me the most.

absolutely- where the Carbo is a good coach Line comes from i dont know---

The team was inept with him behind the bench- he didnt communicate at all- he threw players under the bus- and he had possibly some of the worst line combos ive ever seen at times--- Ninnima actually started on the Koivu line for a GAme__ BRUTAL!!

Do the Smart thing and Hire ROY

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[QUOTE=skipp18;49548819]Its not my intention to stir up a whole English vs French thing.
The French side will always insist the the coach MUST speak french.
The English side always says hire the best possible guy regardless of language.
As an English Montealer I think its just a fact of life that the coach needs to speak french, there is just no way around that.

From the look of the names being discussed on this board ( Therrien, Crawford, Hartley) were just talking about recycling guys just because they speak French. I don't want any of those guys near this team, I would even prefer Roy over those names.
Is Roy the only viable candidate out there that could provide some new blood/energy/vision. Are there no French speaking coaches in the Q? AHL?

I just hope that Bergevin is doing his due diligence for the coaching position and NOT just looking at what the fans/media are putting out there.--------you actuyally think That?? LOL

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Peter Deboer made the jump from Kitchner to the Nhl. Everyone knows about Dale Hunter. Guy Boucher only needed one year in the ahl.
Dale Hunter is terrible. He coaches like Cunneyworth, only more so. Eventually the Caps' goaltending is going to go back to normal and they'll hit a wall.

Boucher had a year in the AHL, which is a damn sight better than zero.

DeBoer is a good example. Although he had twice the junior experience.

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Dale Hunter is terrible. He coaches like Cunneyworth, only more so. Eventually the Caps' goaltending is going to go back to normal and they'll hit a wall.

Boucher had a year in the AHL, which is a damn sight better than zero.

DeBoer is a good example. Although he had twice the junior experience.
What about Blysma?

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What about Blysma?
He coached in the AHL.

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Can't we just get Boucher back? I mean, we got to him first >:|

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Dale Hunter is terrible. He coaches like Cunneyworth, only more so. Eventually the Caps' goaltending is going to go back to normal and they'll hit a wall.
No I disagree about Hunter. He might not be the most refined coach but hes doing a damn good job. Beat the bruins and now got his team to rally after 2 heartbreaking games to force game 7 against the first place team. Holtby has been very good but he has had help. I laugh when people call him a horrible coach. The guy develops nhlers out his ass every year and now has his team in a game 7 of the second round, without coaching a day in the pros and stepping in halfway through the season. Horrible indeed.


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No I disagree about Hunter. He might not be the most refined coach but hes doing a damn good job. Beat the bruins and now got his team to rally after 2 heartbreaking games to force game 7 against the first place team. Holtby has been very good but he has had help. I laugh when people call him a horrible coach. The guy develops nhlers out his ass every year and now has his team in a game 7 of the second round, without coaching a day in the pros and stepping in halfway through the season. Horrible indeed.
Hunter has done a nice job as coach-- yes goaltending ahs been a factor BUT Also he has the team playing a team game working hard
and has neutralized some of the rangers as teh series has progressed

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I'm sorry, I loved Carbo as a player and was thrilled when they hired him to coach, but he was awful. Yes, in year 1, before the damage was done, they won the Conference. I can't remember how the playoffs went

But over time, the team clearly wasn't improving. The scariest part were the individual declines I was seeing. Skill guys like Higgins got to the point where they couldn't make a 10-foot pass. In fact, the team's passing game was embarrassingly bad by the end of Carbo's tenure. It was fairly clear that practices weren't balanced affairs under that regime. The skill development and offensive drills had to be lacking.

I shudder at the thought of going back to that abyss where the team couldn't complete two passes in a row. It was equal parts frustrating and sickening.

Of all the former coaches tapped to return, he scares me the most.
I'm with you 100% on this one "Eli"

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Hunter has done a nice job as coach-- yes goaltending ahs been a factor BUT Also he has the team playing a team game working hard
and has neutralized some of the rangers as teh series has progressed
I think he's awful. His personnel usage is whacked (Beagle more than Backstrom, really?). His strategies are basic and result in the opponent driving the play and the Caps getting routinely outchanced.

He's basically practicing Randypuck to the letter and he's all about grabbing a lead then hanging on for dear life, block every shot and hope that the other guys don't tie it. That's basically coaching by prayer.

If riding a hot goalie to the ECF on a 14-12 record while being dominated is the mark of a great coach, then clearly you must also believe that Jacques Martin is a great coach (and Hunter has yet to reach the ECF). Except Martin didn't have a team that had won its conference twice in a row and its division four straight times, and actually gave the most icetime to his best players.

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I think he's awful. His personnel usage is whacked (Beagle more than Backstrom, really?). His strategies are basic and result in the opponent driving the play and the Caps getting routinely outchanced.

He's basically practicing Randypuck to the letter and he's all about grabbing a lead then hanging on for dear life, block every shot and hope that the other guys don't tie it. That's basically coaching by prayer.

If riding a hot goalie to the ECF on a 14-12 record while being dominated is the mark of a great coach, then clearly you must also believe that Jacques Martin is a great coach (and Hunter has yet to reach the ECF). Except Martin didn't have a team that had won its conference twice in a row and its division four straight times, and actually gave the most icetime to his best players.
Bottom line: Hunter is WINNING !

The geniouses, Babcock, Trotz and Blysma are playing GOLF !

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Bottom line: Hunter is WINNING !

The geniouses, Babcock, Trotz and Blysma are playing GOLF !
In hockey the best teams don't always win, let alone the best coaches.

The Caps are winning despite Hunter.

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In hockey the best teams don't always win, let alone the best coaches.

The Caps are winning despite Hunter.
So, we can get Roy, then ?

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Bottom line: Hunter is WINNING !

The geniouses, Babcock, Trotz and Blysma are playing GOLF !
exactly this is correct, seems alot of people on here just want to watch high flying exciting hockey and don't care about winning. If that's the case maybe you should check out the oilers. I wanna watching a winning team I don't care what style they play. As someone who plays hockey I can appreciate defensive hockey just as much as offensive.

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So, we can get Roy, then ?
The best teams don't always win, but in the long run, it's always the way to bet. Same with the coaches.

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exactly this is correct, seems alot of people on here just want to watch high flying exciting hockey and don't care about winning.
On the contrary. I don't care about style points, I care about winning. I don't think that you can win long-term doing what Hunter is doing except via invincible goaltending or via fluke.

( Now watch the Caps win the Cup. )

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Carbo: me and Kirk can't play every game....

What a telling thing to say? ... Carbo and MacTavish and Teddy Nolan all cut from the same cloth. Every knows these guys know the game. Noone can stand them.

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