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05-10-2012, 07:55 PM
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I still think, that even if we sign him, we should still go out and get someone. Garrison instead of Suter, since he would be cheaper?
I, for one, would love Garrison on our team.

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05-10-2012, 08:43 PM
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I'm personally not a fan, but the real reason I don't want him resigned is that he would sign for 4-5 years most likely. I don't want him to be a flyer for 4 years just because we need defencemen next year.

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05-10-2012, 09:09 PM
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No, I really don't think he is worth what he'll get. For a "puck moving defenseman", I can't tell you how many passes he simply just missed on the last series, and really he hasn't been great all year.

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05-10-2012, 09:18 PM
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No because even with a discount, it is still too much for him. But from the sounds of it... they are trying to resign him.

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05-10-2012, 09:58 PM
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Not only do I not want him back but if I were him, I'd not want to come back after Homer saying he thinks he can sign him for below market value. He's got the chance to make a lot of money and to go where he wants. This is the age where players get their mega bucks and if Homer already said he thinks he can get him for below market value, that means someone else will pay him market value...or higher.

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05-10-2012, 10:22 PM
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If the price is right, sure, but it probably won't. The guy is a good defenseman, I never really understood the Carle hate on here.

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05-10-2012, 10:24 PM
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Not only do I not want him back but if I were him, I'd not want to come back after Homer saying he thinks he can sign him for below market value. He's got the chance to make a lot of money and to go where he wants. This is the age where players get their mega bucks and if Homer already said he thinks he can get him for below market value, that means someone else will pay him market value...or higher.
Asking for a higher salary = not thinking about the team, because of the cap. If you ask for less, the team has more cap space and has better players, so a better chance to win. I wonder when the players will realize that. Do they really need more millions/year that they already have?

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05-10-2012, 10:45 PM
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Asking for a higher salary = not thinking about the team, because of the cap. If you ask for less, the team has more cap space and has better players, so a better chance to win. I wonder when the players will realize that. Do they really need more millions/year that they already have?
They have a very small window to make a lot of money. Why would they think about the team, especially after what happened to their teammates who gave the team a break just a year ago? The agents are going to remind all their players of this.

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05-10-2012, 10:52 PM
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They have a very small window to make a lot of money. Why would they think about the team, especially after what happened to their teammates who gave the team a break just a year ago? The agents are going to remind all their players of this.
I don't know, to get a chance to win maybe? Whether it's here or anywhere else, it still helps the team in which they are to have a low cap hit. And the money thing... please. The average salary where I live is about 40K$/year. You get 1.6M in 40 years of work. These guys win more than that every season. Not saying that they should only get 1.6M in their careers, but they sure will have the chance to live a quality life even if they don't ask for 1-2 extra millions in their salary.

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05-10-2012, 11:03 PM
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Carle's play seems to be overall too risky for the returns he gives...he puts up some points but also makes boneheaded plays with the puck that can and do detract. Also, he seems to lack the defensive toughness and physicality necessary to body guys coming over the blueline and keep guys from establishing position down low which makes him a liability at times. I don't believe he could or should anchor a top 4 pairing, so you need a more solid player with him, which in a way,indicates he should be paid as a complementary top 4 player, somewhere between 4-4.5 million per yr, for say 4 or 5 yrs. imo...more per year and he can go get it from somehwere else and we'll make a run at Suter, who I see basically as a guy who can do all that Matt Carle can do (or tries to do), but do it a heck of a lot better than Matt Carle, so I'd go 6 or 7 on Suter long term. Weber is a dream that won't happen, but it would be amazing if it did.

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05-10-2012, 11:59 PM
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how much dislike do I have Carle as a player?
i would rather have Suter at 7 years and 7 million per then Carle at 5 per at 8-10 years.

Carle at 5 million per and 8-10 years would be beyond dumb. Nevermind the fact that it would likely come with a NMC/NTC. No thanks.

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05-11-2012, 01:00 AM
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I think they are gonna get him for like 4.3... hope it isn't anything more than that.

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05-11-2012, 08:05 AM
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No because even with a discount, it is still too much for him. But from the sounds of it... they are trying to resign him.
they "tried" to re-sign Biron and Leino as well

It's just GM talk

I also fail to believe that Carle would want to be signed to a hometown discount. He knows that the market is pretty thin on defenseman, especially puck-movers, and I refuse to believe that he isnt looking for his pay day. If he does indeed stay for cheap, then it says a lot about his character, but I don't think he'll do it and I don't blame him. It's hard to say no to the amount of money that he could be offered.

With that being said, I don't want him back, even at a discount (unless it's like $2m for a few years and miss out on Suter)


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05-11-2012, 08:33 AM
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I said no, but mainly because I don't want him back at 5M. If he came back at 4M a year, I'd take him.

The problem with Carle is that the Flyers had him playing way too many minutes in situations he probably shouldn't have been in. But what can you do with the injuries they had on the blueline this year.

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05-11-2012, 09:22 AM
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Carle's play seems to be overall too risky for the returns he gives...he puts up some points but also makes boneheaded plays with the puck that can and do detract. Also, he seems to lack the defensive toughness and physicality necessary to body guys coming over the blueline and keep guys from establishing position down low which makes him a liability at times. I don't believe he could or should anchor a top 4 pairing, so you need a more solid player with him, which in a way,indicates he should be paid as a complementary top 4 player, somewhere between 4-4.5 million per yr, for say 4 or 5 yrs. imo...more per year and he can go get it from somehwere else and we'll make a run at Suter, who I see basically as a guy who can do all that Matt Carle can do (or tries to do), but do it a heck of a lot better than Matt Carle, so I'd go 6 or 7 on Suter long term. Weber is a dream that won't happen, but it would be amazing if it did.
he may be a dream for this upcoming season, but if he goes to arbitration again this summer and signs for 1 year, well, with us gaining cap space with Timonen being off the books (at least at $6.3m), Homer will definitely be going after him (assuming he reaches free agency)

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05-11-2012, 09:43 AM
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I don't know, to get a chance to win maybe? Whether it's here or anywhere else, it still helps the team in which they are to have a low cap hit. And the money thing... please. The average salary where I live is about 40K$/year. You get 1.6M in 40 years of work. These guys win more than that every season. Not saying that they should only get 1.6M in their careers, but they sure will have the chance to live a quality life even if they don't ask for 1-2 extra millions in their salary.
So, because you like your employer, you'd be willing to work for $30K when you could go elsewhere at get $40K - and like the job as much or more than your current job?

That's what you're expecting players to do.

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05-11-2012, 09:44 AM
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I said no but only because I think he is going to want a big raise. If he signs for a reasonable price I wouldn't be mad. He didn't play well toward the end of this year, but his shortcomings (like most things around here) are really blown out of proportion.

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05-11-2012, 11:27 AM
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Carle is gone.

For heavens sake, we re-signed Coburn, brought in Grossman and got him signed instantly. Not a chance that we re-sign Carle.

I really hope he's asking for 5.5 +

I would want carle back as the teams 6th defenseman for 1.5 million or less. Anything more and I want his ass shipped off the team. There are plenty of guys out there that can play 20+ minutes, get beaten constantly, miss coverage, give up back breaking turnovers, fail to use a slapshot at any time, have the weakest shot in the NHL, be the least physical defenseman in the league ect.

Guys a joke. I can't wait for someone like the isles to sign him to a rediculous contract.

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this is Carle's first test into UFA. I would be shocked if he didnt want to test the market. I doubt he takes a "hometown discount". Everyone knows the market is thin on defenseman. I would rather use the money on guys who can play the position in his own zone like you know he is paid to do.

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05-11-2012, 11:53 AM
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Carle's gonna get the Leino treatment.
Watch Buffalo sign him for a $6M AAV.

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05-11-2012, 11:54 AM
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For the money he wants, he shouldnt come back. No matter what you say, 5 mil+ is not worth the type and play of Matt Carle. He will easily want more than that, unless it's a deal like 8-10 years for 4.5 or something, which would be crazy to do.

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05-11-2012, 12:01 PM
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Carle is gone.

For heavens sake, we re-signed Coburn, brought in Grossman and got him signed instantly. Not a chance that we re-sign Carle.

I really hope he's asking for 5.5 +

I would want carle back as the teams 6th defenseman for 1.5 million or less. Anything more and I want his ass shipped off the team. There are plenty of guys out there that can play 20+ minutes, get beaten constantly, miss coverage, give up back breaking turnovers, fail to use a slapshot at any time, have the weakest shot in the NHL, be the least physical defenseman in the league ect.

Guys a joke. I can't wait for someone like the isles to sign him to a rediculous contract.

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05-11-2012, 12:26 PM
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Matt Carle is already overvalued by Lavi, and I'm getting worried the same will happen to Homer during these negotiations.

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05-11-2012, 01:07 PM
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I wouldn't mind having him back for a low price. In this offseason market, teams will overpay, just like most offseasons. If Carle wants to stay and take a lower pay, then great. I don't see it happening, and I don't fault him at all. But if we did sign him, it would probably be 5 or 5.5 mil for 5 or more years, which will handicap us when it comes to resigning more important players like Voracek and Simmonds (when his contract expires) et al.

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05-11-2012, 01:14 PM
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Carle is in my top 4 all time hated Flyers with Therien, Randy Jones and Amonte, but I can admit the hatred is a little irrational.
He was a good player. He just sucked really bad at the end.

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