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05-07-2012, 04:34 PM
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Murry playing at these world hockey championships will IMO help Tambellini rationalize picking Murry over Yakupov(imo Murry is the right choice worth the wealth of forward prospect edm has)
Not really true.

The Oilers have 3 good young forwards, no secondary scoring, and few(if any) forwards that project as top 6 players. The defensive prospect depth is considerably better with a decent range of player types that are tracking well up to this point.

Yakupov is as much the right choice as Murray is for the Oilers, and has the added benefit of being the BPA.

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Ryan Murray is awful

The only times I've seen him have been WJC and WHC granted. But every time, he seems to not know where he is on the ice and is completely offensively inept. I just do not see a special or even a good player in him at all. Why do people think he's the best defenseman in the draft? And what's more, how would this guy, who's getting burned by 18 year old Russians and doing a whole lot of nothing against men at the WHC, supposed to step in and make an impact next year? IMO Ryan Murray would be the worst possible choice the Oilers could make at the 2012 draft, we'd even be better off taking Grigorenko or Galchenyuk than Murray.

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Precisely. I agree 100% granted the only time I saw him was crossing the street. His hips were horrible. Simply no fluidity what so ever.










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What, out of all the times I've seen him. I haven't seen the supposed high level defensive awareness. I saw a guy who bled goals like crazy. Offensively he hasn't gotten much done either.

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I am sure most CBJ, NYI fan agree with you that The Oilers should not take him.

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What, out of all the times I've seen him. I haven't seen the supposed high level defensive awareness. I saw a guy who bled goals like crazy. Offensively he hasn't gotten much done either.

ok so you must be right and every scout in north america is wrong.

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05-10-2012, 12:55 PM
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What, out of all the times I've seen him. I haven't seen the supposed high level defensive awareness. I saw a guy who bled goals like crazy. Offensively he hasn't gotten much done either.
The Everett Silvertips were 17th out of 22 teams in GA with 268. Seattle, Swift, Lethbridge and Prince Albert were behind.

Ryan Murray played 46 games out of 72 in the WHL season which means that you could make a case for him having an estimate of around 171 goals that he was playing in.

There are players with who played more games and had more goals against than him - quite a few I'd imagine. So he hardly leaks compared to the league.

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05-10-2012, 01:53 PM
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The only times I've seen him have been WJC and WHC granted. But every time, he seems to not know where he is on the ice and is completely offensively inept. I just do not see a special or even a good player in him at all. Why do people think he's the best defenseman in the draft? And what's more, how would this guy, who's getting burned by 18 year old Russians and doing a whole lot of nothing against men at the WHC, supposed to step in and make an impact next year? IMO Ryan Murray would be the worst possible choice the Oilers could make at the 2012 draft, we'd even be better off taking Grigorenko or Galchenyuk than Murray.
You're funny.

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The only times I've seen him have been WJC and WHC granted. But every time, he seems to not know where he is on the ice and is completely offensively inept. I just do not see a special or even a good player in him at all. Why do people think he's the best defenseman in the draft? And what's more, how would this guy, who's getting burned by 18 year old Russians and doing a whole lot of nothing against men at the WHC, supposed to step in and make an impact next year? IMO Ryan Murray would be the worst possible choice the Oilers could make at the 2012 draft, we'd even be better off taking Grigorenko or Galchenyuk than Murray.
Apparently all the scouts, coaches and hockey analysts who have been paid to watch him play live dozens of times have it wrong when they say he's a top 3 pick in this year's draft.

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The only times I've seen him have been WJC and WHC granted. But every time, he seems to not know where he is on the ice and is completely offensively inept. I just do not see a special or even a good player in him at all. Why do people think he's the best defenseman in the draft? And what's more, how would this guy, who's getting burned by 18 year old Russians and doing a whole lot of nothing against men at the WHC, supposed to step in and make an impact next year? IMO Ryan Murray would be the worst possible choice the Oilers could make at the 2012 draft, we'd even be better off taking Grigorenko or Galchenyuk than Murray.
So an 18 year old comes in the WHC, plays against a few of the top players in the world, and does a whole bunch of nothing like not letting in goals in?

I'm impressed.

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So an 18 year old comes in the WHC, plays against a few of the top players in the world, and does a whole bunch of nothing like not letting in goals in?

I'm impressed.
I have to admit, at times he has seemed lost playing against men rather than boys. However, he hasn't been horrible defensively (based on what I've seen, RNC has been the worst player in the defensive zone) and Sutter has the confidence to put him on the ice for 5-10 minutes a game.

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@Bob_Stauffer: According to Team Canada GM Kevin Lowe consensus amongst Managers and Scouts at WHC is Ryan Murray will play in NHL next season

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@Bob_Stauffer: According to Team Canada GM Kevin Lowe consensus amongst Managers and Scouts at WHC is Ryan Murray will play in NHL next season
Least shocking news of life, atleast to me.

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Least shocking news of life, atleast to me.
I agree and I will even go a step further and say that with EDM's need of D and thier embarassment of riches in young talented Fowards, that they will strongly consider drafting Murray.

They may not do it at 1st overall but they will consider him very much IMO

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Does Kevin Lowe speak about Ryan Murray to the media daily?

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The only times I've seen him have been WJC and WHC granted. But every time, he seems to not know where he is on the ice and is completely offensively inept. I just do not see a special or even a good player in him at all. Why do people think he's the best defenseman in the draft? And what's more, how would this guy, who's getting burned by 18 year old Russians and doing a whole lot of nothing against men at the WHC, supposed to step in and make an impact next year? IMO Ryan Murray would be the worst possible choice the Oilers could make at the 2012 draft, we'd even be better off taking Grigorenko or Galchenyuk than Murray.

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@Bob_Stauffer: According to Team Canada GM Kevin Lowe consensus amongst Managers and Scouts at WHC is Ryan Murray will play in NHL next season
And that is why I feal there is a real good chance NYI trades up to ensure his selection.

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I like Murray, but if the Oilers pick him at #1 I wont be impressed at all.

If they really want a dman, trade it, hell straight up for Brodin would be better. Hes better than Murray imo, and the same age too.

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I like Murray, but if the Oilers pick him at #1 I wont be impressed at all.

If they really want a dman, trade it, hell straight up for Brodin would be better. Hes better than Murray imo, and the same age too.

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Haha.. Maybe not a popular view but im really high on the guy, I think he has a better chance at being a #1dman than Murray.

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I guarantee Fowler won't fall past ______.

It seems to me like it takes a very strong consensus for an NHL team to spend a high first round pick on a defenseman these days. It's going to happen this year because they have no choice, but a lot of wrong decisions are going to be made.

This isn't 2008; and even if it were, at least one of these guys is going to end up being the Luke Schenn of the bunch. The Oilers were gift wrapped the most valuable toy at the draft. If they want a defenseman, take Yakupov and flip those forward assets somewhere down the line if need be for something that's guaranteed.

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I guarantee Fowler won't fall past ______.

It seems to me like it takes a very strong consensus for an NHL team to spend a high first round pick on a defenseman these days. It's going to happen this year because they have no choice, but a lot of wrong decisions are going to be made.

This isn't 2008; and even if it were, at least one of these guys is going to end up being the Luke Schenn of the bunch. The Oilers were gift wrapped the most valuable toy at the draft. If they want a defenseman, take Yakupov and flip those forward assets somewhere down the line if need be for something that's guaranteed.
Exactly, and I think it will be Ryan Murray. People keep saying how he's guaranteed to be a top pairing defenseman. From what I've seen, there's not enough offensive instinct for him to reach the top pairing, and he isn't like a Dan Hamhuis defensively either. 2nd pairing potential IMO and anyone who takes him in the top 5 I think would be better off taking either Dumba, Reilly, or Reinhart, all 3 of whom I believe have top pairing potential.

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I guarantee Fowler won't fall past ______.

It seems to me like it takes a very strong consensus for an NHL team to spend a high first round pick on a defenseman these days. It's going to happen this year because they have no choice, but a lot of wrong decisions are going to be made.

This isn't 2008; and even if it were, at least one of these guys is going to end up being the Luke Schenn of the bunch. The Oilers were gift wrapped the most valuable toy at the draft. If they want a defenseman, take Yakupov and flip those forward assets somewhere down the line if need be for something that's guaranteed.
Whats wrong with Luke Schenn?

He seems to be a decent pick at #5.

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Exactly, and I think it will be Ryan Murray. People keep saying how he's guaranteed to be a top pairing defenseman. From what I've seen, there's not enough offensive instinct for him to reach the top pairing, and he isn't like a Dan Hamhuis defensively either. 2nd pairing potential IMO and anyone who takes him in the top 5 I think would be better off taking either Dumba, Reilly, or Reinhart, all 3 of whom I believe have top pairing potential.
I myself am quite a fan of Yakupov. But I don't make the player who will likely get drafted after him, sound like garbage.

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