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04-30-2012, 12:48 AM
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Why does the CSS put Luza above Buri then? I'm just curious what do you think they base their rankings on.
They´re not as good as czechexpert is

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Why does the CSS put Luza above Buri then? I'm just curious what do you think they base their rankings on.
I suppose it's just because of Luža's achievements. He's 1994 born player, he could play in U18 league this season, but even though Slovan U18 team was in the battle for the 1st place, Luža was not called-up to the U18 team, but right to the A team.

He was a member of HK Orange 20 team, when there were U20 players (I do not mean that January HK Orange 20 which was basically U18 NT).

He was also a member of U18 NT in Crimmitschau and Dresden last year. Along with Daňo and Sabol, Luža was the only 1995 born player on the roster.

Those facts, I think, have pretty big impact on his position in CSS rankings, even though there is no doubt that Buri is better than Luža

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SZĽH together with RTVS are preparing some sort of recruitment campaign to mtoivate kids to play hockey. Sounds nice, but a combination of SZĽH and RTV does not really make one confident in the succes of this...

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SZĽH together with RTVS are preparing some sort of recruitment campaign to mtoivate kids to play hockey. Sounds nice, but a combination of SZĽH and RTV does not really make one confident in the succes of this...
Are there decreases in involvement in all sports or is it specific to hockey? Are Slovak children more interested in for example x-box playing than sports, or are they losing interest to other sports - for example more interest in football and less in hockey?

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Are there decreases in involvement in all sports or is it specific to hockey? Are Slovak children more interested in for example x-box playing than sports, or are they losing interest to other sports - for example more interest in football and less in hockey?
Less kids, less of them interested in sports in general, more interested in what you mention. I think pretty much all sports are somewhat down. (Well floorball might be one of the exceptions).

But I believe the biggest problem is that even those kids who actually do some sports, "can´t even catch a ball anymore" as they say.

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Martin Gernát scored a goal and had a +2 rating to help the Oil kings win the first WHL final game against Portland 3-2. Game 2 is scheduled for today. Jurčo´s Sea Dogs also start their final against Rimouski tonight.

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SZĽH together with RTVS are preparing some sort of recruitment campaign to mtoivate kids to play hockey. Sounds nice, but a combination of SZĽH and RTV does not really make one confident in the succes of this...
The campaign starts today, Bondra and Šatan are in the TV spot, which can be seen here: http://medialne.etrend.sk/televizia-...rov-sveta.html

It directs people to the webpage www.detinahokej.sk, which however looks like a very unfisnished product.

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Martin Gernát scored a goal and had a +2 rating to help the Oil kings win the first WHL final game against Portland 3-2. Game 2 is scheduled for today. Jurčo´s Sea Dogs also start their final against Rimouski tonight.
Jurco was 1+1, put on some nasty moves to score his goal in the first period.

Hrivik continued his improbable run with Connecticut. He wristed a puck towards Tokarski and it hit Tessier on the way in. Hrivik is now 5+1 in 6 games. He has turned some heads for sure.

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Jurco was 1+1, put on some nasty moves to score his goal in the first period.

Hrivik continued his improbable run with Connecticut. He wristed a puck towards Tokarski and it hit Tessier on the way in. Hrivik is now 5+1 in 6 games. He has turned some heads for sure.
NY Rangers will sign him. Im sure about it.

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Jurco was 1+1, put on some nasty moves to score his goal in the first period.

Hrivik continued his improbable run with Connecticut. He wristed a puck towards Tokarski and it hit Tessier on the way in. Hrivik is now 5+1 in 6 games. He has turned some heads for sure.
And Jurčo got another goal in game two as Sea Dogs won 3-2.

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Hrivík continues his point streak as he got another assist in a loss to Norfolk. Gernát had 1G+1A,2nd star, but the Oil Kings lost.

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Pánik finally breaks his slump and scores a goal. However it was Norfolk´s only goal, so they lost. An another assist for Hrívik for the Whale. Series now tied at 2-2.

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2 goals and 3 assists and 2nd star for Tomáš Jurčo as the Sea Dogs crushed Rimouski 8-0 in game 4 of the Q finals. The Sea Dogs have thus won their second QMJHL title in as many years. In 16 PO games Jurčo scored 13 goals and added 16 assists for 29 points, which means he is ranked 4th in the Q playoff scoring behind his teammates Galiev, Coyle and Phillips (but all of them played one game more). Hopefully he´ll be able to repeat his performance from the Memorial Cup from last year or even improve on it.

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Jaroslav Janus and Richard Pánik led Norfolk Admirals to win game 6 of their series 2-1 OT against Connecticut. Admirals won the series 4-2. Janus allowed one goal on 31 shots (96,77%) after recording a shutout in game 5. Pánik scored the OT goal on a breakaway.

About Pánik and his play last night and overall in the play offs from boltprospects:

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Marek Hrivík got a primary assist on the Whales only goal. The post on boltprospects mentions that he also hit the underside of the crossbar and was waved of. A goal there could have given the Whale the 2-0 lead. Hrívik finishes the AHL play offs with 9 points (5 goals and 4 assists) in 9 games and will now hope that the Rangers will sign him.


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Hopefully he´ll be able to repeat his performance from the Memorial Cup from last year or even improve on it.
Hopefully, but it depends on who you are cheering for. He will likely face defenseman Martin Gernat in the Memorial Cup. Gernat has had an amazing WHL playoff, but it doesn't seem to get the attention that Jurco does in SVK.

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Hopefully, but it depends on who you are cheering for. He will likely face defenseman Martin Gernat in the Memorial Cup. Gernat has had an amazing WHL playoff, but it doesn't seem to get the attention that Jurco does in SVK.
For one thing the Oil Kings have not beaten Portland yet and having a 3-2 lead doesn´t mean that they will. But it doesn´t depend on who I cheer for at all as I don´t really care too much about which team wins the MC. It is possible for two players from two different teams to put on great performances even though their team doesn´t win the cup. As for Gernát´s play off succes not being noticed in Slovakia - Jurčo´s succes was only noticed by the mainstream media once the Sea Dogs actually won the Q title, so...

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redwingscentral.com has updated their report on Tvrdon:

2011-12
-Healthy for the start of training camp, returned to WHL for first full season with Vancouver.
-Finished second on Vancouver and placed in WHL’s top 30 scorers (60-31-43-74, plus-1).
-Was particularly productive down the stretch, with 17 goals in final 27 games and 13 in final 17.
-Helped Slovakia to sixth-place finish at mid-season WJC (6-3-1-4, minus-4, 18 shots).
-Suspended three games by WHL in February for a spearing incident.
-Finished fourth on team in playoff scoring in first-round exit (6-3-3-6, minus-4).

Scout Comments from this Season
“He knew that Detroit (director of player development Jiri Fischer) was there (for a four-point game on Oct. 21, 2011) and that was a big part of (his strong play). He has to do it every night — not just when Detroit is here. Was it a breakout game? I want to know why he can’t play like that every game. If he can do it once, he should be able to do it again and again. That’s what we want from him.” — Vancouver Giants head coach Don Hay (October 2011, Vancouver Province) … “Tvrdon showed some stuff I like — he’s a big body and he has a good feel for the game — but looks like his intensity has to come up a bit.” — Red Wings director of European scouting Hakan Andersson (January 2012).

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There’s so much to like about Tvrdon, from his power-forward size to his impressive skill level. He’s similar to his more highly touted countryman, Tomas Jurco, but needs to play with more intensity and improve his consistency. Tvrdon made a big step forward by putting together a healthy, productive season in 2011-12, and he’ll return to Vancouver for a second full WHL season in 2012-13. He has potential to develop into an NHL power winger — if everything goes right.

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Gernát´s Oil Kings have managed to beat Portland in game 7 and have thus become WHL champions and Slovakia will have two players in the Memorial Cup.

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redwingscentral.com has updated their report on Tvrdon:

2011-12
-Healthy for the start of training camp, returned to WHL for first full season with Vancouver.
-Finished second on Vancouver and placed in WHL’s top 30 scorers (60-31-43-74, plus-1).
-Was particularly productive down the stretch, with 17 goals in final 27 games and 13 in final 17.
-Helped Slovakia to sixth-place finish at mid-season WJC (6-3-1-4, minus-4, 18 shots).
-Suspended three games by WHL in February for a spearing incident.
-Finished fourth on team in playoff scoring in first-round exit (6-3-3-6, minus-4).

Scout Comments from this Season
“He knew that Detroit (director of player development Jiri Fischer) was there (for a four-point game on Oct. 21, 2011) and that was a big part of (his strong play). He has to do it every night — not just when Detroit is here. Was it a breakout game? I want to know why he can’t play like that every game. If he can do it once, he should be able to do it again and again. That’s what we want from him.” — Vancouver Giants head coach Don Hay (October 2011, Vancouver Province) … “Tvrdon showed some stuff I like — he’s a big body and he has a good feel for the game — but looks like his intensity has to come up a bit.” — Red Wings director of European scouting Hakan Andersson (January 2012).

Projection
There’s so much to like about Tvrdon, from his power-forward size to his impressive skill level. He’s similar to his more highly touted countryman, Tomas Jurco, but needs to play with more intensity and improve his consistency. Tvrdon made a big step forward by putting together a healthy, productive season in 2011-12, and he’ll return to Vancouver for a second full WHL season in 2012-13. He has potential to develop into an NHL power winger — if everything goes right.
Jurčo´s and Tatar´s reports have been updated too:

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2011-12:
Appeared in five NHL pre-season games with Red Wings (5-1-0-1, minus-2, five shots).
Returned to AHL for third full season with Grand Rapids (76-24-34-58, plus-4, 224 shots).
Finished in three-way tie for team scoring lead with Gustav Nyquist and Jamie Johnson.
Also led Grand Rapids in goals (24) and shots (224) and was among top 30 AHL scorers.
Finished season in impressive fashion, with 19 points in 19 games (19-10-9-19).
Worked one-on-one with skating coach Kim Muir to improve his skating stride and speed.
Called up for Red Wings’ brief playoff run to serve as a Black Ace (spare who doesn’t play).
Represented Slovakia at IIHF world championship in Finland in May.

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“He’s got a passion for the game and good offensive instincts. He thinks the game well. He’s the first guy in the corner getting the puck. He goes to the net.” — Nill (March 2011, The Hockey News) … “He’s been terrific for us. He’s really taken a big role penalty-killing this year and he’s done an excellent job learning how to block shots, how to be better defensively, all these little things. He’s a really good offensive player, but he’s rounded out his game more.” — Griffins head coach Curt Fraser (February 2012).

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Tatar didn’t earn an NHL call-up in 2011-12, nor did he increase his production in Grand Rapids. But he still made major strides toward becoming an NHL player. More of a one-dimensional offensive sparkplug on his draft day, Tatar has rounded out his two-way game and is a much more complete player after three seasons in the AHL. He’s certainly in the conversation for an NHL roster spot in 2012-13, but he’s still exempt from waivers and could spent one more season on the farm.
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2011-12
Appeared in one NHL pre-season game with Red Wings (no points, no shots, even plus-minus).
Returned to Saint John and finished fourth in team scoring (48-30-38-68, plus-46, 186 shots).
Pro-rated point production (96 points in 68 games) would placed third in QMJHL.
Helped carry Saint John’s offensive load with star Jonathan Huberdeau missing 31 games.
Plus-minus rating tied him for fourth in QMJHL behind three of his Sea Dogs teammates.
Led sixth-place Slovakia in scoring at WJC (5-1-7-8, plus-4, 16 shots).
Finished fourth in QMJHL playoff scoring behind three Sea Dogs teammates (16-13-16-29).
Helped Sea Dogs go 16-1 in post-season en route to second straight QMJHL President’s Cup.
Produced five points (two goals, three assists) in 8-0 championship-clinching win over Rimouski.

Comments
“He’s a leader on a very good team, a top-six forward. He’s got high-end skill.” — Red Wings assistant GM Jim Nill (May 2012, MLive.com).

Projection
The Red Wings didn’t feel good enough about Jurco to take him 24th overall in the 2011 draft, but they traded down for an extra pick and got him 35th. It looks like they landed quite a prospect, as he exploded offensively with a star-studded team in the QMJHL in 2011-12. Jurco’s NHL upside is extremely high as a dynamic, high-scoring, top-six winger. A more telling test of Jurco’s impressive skill level will come in 2012-13, when he joins Grand Rapids for his AHL rookie season.
In other news Marek Hrivík will join the Rangers together with their Black Aces. Though unlike them he isn´t eligible to play as he isn´t signed by the Rangers. But everything seems to show that he will be signed soon. Link here (in Slovak).

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I think the new IIHF U18 and U20 formats announced today will be more favourable for SVK. I think at least in the sense that it is easier to make the playoff round and more difficult to get relegated.

The 6 team playoff format has been played 10 times. Slovakia has qualified to the playoff round 40 percent of the time. Now with an 8 team playoff, SVK should be in the playoff round most years. In the years they are not, it will be a best of 3 series.

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Agreed...

But also there is higher chance of reaching semifinals. Those do-or-die games are always easier for underdogs and I would not lie if I said that we wouldn't be favorites at any time in quarterfinals of World Juniors.

Anyway, I still don't agree with this format. I think it's pretty stupid.

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Agreed...

But also there is higher chance of reaching semifinals. Those do-or-die games are always easier for underdogs and I would not lie if I said that we wouldn't be favorites at any time in quarterfinals of World Juniors.

Anyway, I still don't agree with this format. I think it's pretty stupid.
And how would your smart format look?

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And how would your smart format look?
Well, I wouldn't be against the expansion of Top division to 12 teams and the same format as it is at Olympics. (Plus, of course, 2 teams relegating to Division I)

If you want to keep 10 teams, then the old format with two relegating teams was the best. If you wanted to keep also the only relegating team, then I would keep bye for the round robin winners, 2nd & 3rd to quarterfinals, 4th place teams would battle in 7th place game (or best-of-3 series) and 5th place teams would battle in order to avoid relegation in best-of-3 series.

This format allows manipulations and teams can choose their opponent in quarterfinals. Also, I think it's little bit stupid that just 2 points can be enough for reaching the quarterfinals. And don't forget that top teams will not have any motivation to play on 100 per cent in round robin, because they won't get any advantage.

One of the best match played at WJHC was Sweden vs. Canada in 2011. THe last game of round robin, the winner gets bye, loser has to go to quarterfinals. Do you think that match would be also so great, if there was this format? I highly doubt.

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Well, I wouldn't be against the expansion of Top division to 12 teams and the same format as it is at Olympics. (Plus, of course, 2 teams relegating to Division I)

If you want to keep 10 teams, then the old format with two relegating teams was the best. If you wanted to keep also the only relegating team, then I would keep bye for the round robin winners, 2nd & 3rd to quarterfinals, 4th place teams would battle in 7th place game (or best-of-3 series) and 5th place teams would battle in order to avoid relegation in best-of-3 series.

This format allows manipulations and teams can choose their opponent in quarterfinals. Also, I think it's little bit stupid that just 2 points can be enough for reaching the quarterfinals. And don't forget that top teams will not have any motivation to play on 100 per cent in round robin, because they won't get any advantage.

One of the best match played at WJHC was Sweden vs. Canada in 2011. THe last game of round robin, the winner gets bye, loser has to go to quarterfinals. Do you think that match would be also so great, if there was this format? I highly doubt.
You made some good points for sure I don't have a strong opinion on this, so I'll tell just 3 things that came to my mind.

- 2010 Olympics format was very good indeed, but for 2014 they changed it (to worse IMO)
- there's not enough competitive teams to have junior tournaments with 12 teams IMO
- personally I agree that 2 teams should be relegating

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Hrivík signs an ELC with the Rangers: http://rangers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=633251

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