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05-13-2012, 08:03 PM
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Fine, ignore it.

Everyone other than Pinkfloyd, you might learn something -- "pro" and "major league" are not the same thing. Mixing the two just makes it look like you aren't familiar with the business of the sport beyond the major league level.
Then can someone mention the history of the WHA Houston Aeros? I think all of Houston's hockey history counts for something and matters. Pro and major league don't matter imo in this case. They have a solid hockey history to build on.

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Houston is probably the 2nd most successful hockey market currently without an NHL team in North America (behind QC) when it comes to history and past organizations.

A little off topic, but I hope fi we do get a team, we stray from the Aeros or Apollos. It gets kind of old after a while, and there isn't much nostalgia to it like the Jets in Winnipeg.


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05-13-2012, 08:59 PM
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Hockey in Texas does not work. Just look at the attendance figure in Dallas. there are way better hockey market then Houston

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Hockey in Texas does not work. Just look at the attendance figure in Dallas. there are way better hockey market then Houston
A couple lean years for the Stars due to ownership issues that did not stem from the team is not an indicator of it not working. Before the last two seasons, the Stars had averaged over 17,000 per season since the '99-2000 season.

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05-13-2012, 09:20 PM
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Hockey in Texas does not work. Just look at the attendance figure in Dallas. there are way better hockey market then Houston
Dallas drew 17-18+K every year from '99-'00 through '09-'10. The attendance only dropped significantly during the last two years.

16119 16729 15572 15997 16449 16893 17001 17001 17628 18532 18350 17828 17914 18,038 17,680 17,215 15,073 14,226

And note that the attendance picked up significantly after Gagliardi took over from Hicks during this past season.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/bl...ses-since.html
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New owner Tom Gaglardi says attendance at Dallas Stars hockey games is up by about 5,000 fans per game since the ownership change.

Gaglardi made the statement Monday evening at a Dallas Business Journal event celebrating the release of the DBJ's Book of Lists. Gaglardi took control of the team in mid-November.

Gaglardi, a Vancouver businessman, said the past couple years have been tough for Stars fans, but said "it's our job now to get people back in the building."

"Hockey is a marvelous sport," Gaglardi said at Stephan Pyles' restaurant in downtown Dallas. "It's interesting to be in a place where it isn't a first religion."

He said games at the American Airlines Center are drawing 15,000 to 16,000 people, which is about 5,000 more than they were drawing at the beginning of the season.

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05-13-2012, 09:38 PM
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Dallas drew 17-18+K every year from '99-'00 through '09-'10. The attendance only dropped significantly during the last two years.

16119 16729 15572 15997 16449 16893 17001 17001 17628 18532 18350 17828 17914 18,038 17,680 17,215 15,073 14,226

And note that the attendance picked up significantly after Gagliardi took over from Hicks during this past season.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/bl...ses-since.html
But I thought hockey didn't work in Texas??

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Houston is probably the 2nd most successful hockey market in North America (behind QC) when it comes to history and past organizations.

A little off topic, but I hope fi we do get a team, we stray from the Aeros or Apollos. It gets kind of old after a while, and there isn't much nostalgia to it like the Jets in Winnipeg.
What ? Are you saying that of markets that don't currently have an NHL team ? Even this assertion is debatable but if the statement you wrote is what you intended,this is delusional.

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Hockey in Texas does not work. Just look at the attendance figure in Dallas. there are way better hockey market then Houston
I don't even have words to describe this.

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What ? Are you saying that of markets that don't currently have an NHL team ? Even this assertion is debatable but if the statement you wrote is what you intended,this is delusional.
My bad, should've clarified that it meant without a team currently.

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Hockey in Texas does not work. Just look at the attendance figure in Dallas. there are way better hockey market then Houston
an nhl team in houston would be worth more than many teams currently in the league. hockey in texas does work.


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05-13-2012, 10:35 PM
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Just curious why wasn't Houston one of the teams that came over from the WHA? I would think they would get the nod over Hartford.

I'm not necessarily against Houston getting a team but I would want to see three more teams in Canada first (QC, Hamilton, and Markham) before anyone south of the Mason-Dixon line gets a sniff.

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There are obvious differences between Houston and Atlanta or Phoenix. Houston is much bigger, much richer, with much greater corporate power. A few moments with google or wiki could have told you all that. Comparing Houston and Atlanta is just silly.
Yes Houston is bigger but its not as if those are small markets. Both of them are top 20 markets. Just saying it takes more than population otherwise Mexico City would be the top destination for a team.

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Hockey in Texas does not work. Just look at the attendance figure in Dallas. there are way better hockey market then Houston
Texas has more minor league teams then Canada.

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The main problem is Les Alexander. He's got exclusivity for an NHL team in the arena, and doesn't appear to be interested or capable of buying a team. Without his permission, no one else can put a team in there. And there is no other NHL-spec arena in the area.

The ship has sailed as far as Les Alexander getting an NHL franchise. He's 69, and he's no longer a billionaire. He did show up in the Forbes 400 of 2006 with $1.2 billion. But much of his wealth was in FMD shares. They made RIM look like a good investment. Plus he also had a divorce. Anyhow, I found several sites, including nbalockoutupdate.com/owners/ which put his current net worth at $80 million. Yes, the Houston Rockets are worth a lot more, but Les Alexander is obviously not the sole owner, or there may be a lot of debt. $80 million is less than half of what TNSE paid for the Thrashers/Jets, or what the NHL wants for the Coyotes. Unless/until Les Alexander sells out, Houston ain't gonna happen. Sorry,, fuggedaboutit.

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Texas has more minor league teams then Canada.
Three AHL teams in Canada, three in Texas. Below the AHL pro level no one in Canada cares.

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Three AHL teams in Canada, three in Texas. Below the AHL pro level no one in Canada cares.
So they don't count? Nice logic.

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Just curious why wasn't Houston one of the teams that came over from the WHA? I would think they would get the nod over Hartford.

I'm not necessarily against Houston getting a team but I would want to see three more teams in Canada first (QC, Hamilton, and Markham) before anyone south of the Mason-Dixon line gets a sniff.
Ok, I won't argue against your delusions.

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Just curious why wasn't Houston one of the teams that came over from the WHA?
Because they folded after the 1977-78 season, and the surviving WHA remnants merged with the NHL after the 1978-79 season.

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Dallas drew 17-18+K every year from '99-'00 through '09-'10. The attendance only dropped significantly during the last two years.

16119 16729 15572 15997 16449 16893 17001 17001 17628 18532 18350 17828 17914 18,038 17,680 17,215 15,073 14,226

And note that the attendance picked up significantly after Gagliardi took over from Hicks during this past season.
http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/bl...ses-since.html
Yeah they were selling the tickets at an average of 9$ each

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Yeah they were selling the tickets at an average of 9$ each
lol yeah okay source?

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Ignoring the naysayers, let's not forget that a Dallas-Houston rivalry would be good for both the Stars and potential Aeros (assuming they keep the name) fanbases as well. Both cities love smacking each other around, which is one of the reasons why I think Astros fans will quickly drop their anger over being moved into the American League once they start playing the Rangers a heck of a lot more.

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Yeah they were selling the tickets at an average of 9$ each
do you mean the lowest tickets were $9? i find it really hard to believe a major league sports team can get by with an average ticket price of $9. what were the cheap seats, $0.25?

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Yeah they were selling the tickets at an average of 9$ each
You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

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a team in houston would probably be worth more than a team in QC

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You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.
Yup.

Based on the leaked NHLPA data in the Globe and Mail, the Stars had the 4th highest avg ticket price in the League in '05-'06 ($58.37) & '06-'07 ($61.43) - behind only Toronto, Colorado, and New York ('06-'07)/Montreal ('05-'06) - albeit with a significant number of comped tickets (~2000).

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