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05-13-2012, 08:04 PM
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Stand-Up Goalie, the dying breed?

Do you think there will ever be another goalie in the future who will make it to the NHL and be truly successful as a pure stand-up goalie?
Do coaches these days even teach the technique now that the butterfly or hybrid are THE apparent more effective styles?

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05-13-2012, 08:17 PM
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If the size of the nets and rules remain somewhat the same, then I believe Brodeur is the last of his kind. At least from Canada.

Butterfly is so strong at lower levels of hockey, it makes average goalies better. Its the eaiser root. Especially in North America.

European system seems to encourage and allow alternatives to Butterfly more, but not really stand up to much.

If the nets got bigger or higher, maybe?

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True stand-up goalies are probably gone...the hybrid won't go anywhere, though.

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Who was the last true stand-up? Kirk MacLean?

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Pure stand up goalies are long gone...

Brodeur is a hybrid goalie.

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Most of the elite goalies seem to play more of a hybrid style.

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Pure standups are gone, and they're not returning.

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Pure standups are gone, and they're not returning.
This.

It's a very inefficient way of playing as a goaltender.

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05-13-2012, 10:32 PM
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IIRC there were 2 guys in NHL12 that were stand-ups. But one was a mistake I think because when you viewed his in-depth ratings profile it listed him as a hybrid.

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The b-fly is just too effective to revert back to stand-up.

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Well I know one thing if Quick would have Stood up , that Derrek Morris goal is non-existant.

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Never a pure stand up. It's gone. Hybrid style seems popular though.

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I think the closest to a more old school style are Brodeur and Nabokov.

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Dying? They're dead. Just imagine a guy today playing like this:


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Do you think there will ever be another goalie in the future who will make it to the NHL and be truly successful as a pure stand-up goalie?
Do coaches these days even teach the technique now that the butterfly or hybrid are THE apparent more effective styles?
Just doesn't make sense to play a stand up style anymore when you can have a 6'4 goaltender that is incredibly athletic and can cover most of the net while on his knees. Hybrid and butterfly are the future and will break down more as athletic style and positional style.

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"Dying"?

Dead long ago.

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If the size of the nets and rules remain somewhat the same, then I believe Brodeur is the last of his kind. At least from Canada.

Butterfly is so strong at lower levels of hockey, it makes average goalies better. Its the eaiser root. Especially in North America.

European system seems to encourage and allow alternatives to Butterfly more, but not really stand up to much.

If the nets got bigger or higher, maybe?
Especially when they are Pekka Rinne and Smiths size. They don't give up much by going down into the butterfly.

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The pure butterfly is no longer the top way to play. Being mobile and active in the butterfly is the way it's done. Luongo's passive method is out, Lundqvuist/Quick active butterfly is in.

You have to be able to move fast in the butterfly position (down)

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Just doesn't make sense to play a stand up style anymore when you can have a 6'4 goaltender that is incredibly athletic and can cover most of the net while on his knees. Hybrid and butterfly are the future and will break down more as athletic style and positional style.
This is a big part of it. Goalies use to be the small guy who was picked last but it has evolved into a more respected position with bigger guys. If someone like Rinne who is 6'5 were to try and play standing up a large part of his torso would be wasted above the crossbar.

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you never know. one day, the league might make it illegal to be a butterfly goalie to increase offence. lol.

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francois allaire killed it.

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I think the real question is when experts on TV will realize what playing goalie is about these days and stop sounding like idiots when complaining on a goalie for "going down too early" or something like that lol.

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Who was the last true stand-up? Kirk MacLean?
Osgood was a stand-up but later in his career he kind of changed to a half-butterfly.

It's a thing of the past now. The only goalies who's style resembles the stand-up like Brodeur, Nabokov, Roloson.. are all older and at end of their careers. Enjoy them while you can.

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i thought it was already dead

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you never know. one day, the league might make it illegal to be a butterfly goalie to increase offence. lol.
i think you are joking but to all the people that don't know there was a tim in the nhl where goalies weren't allowed to butterfly, i think it was in the 20's

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05-14-2012, 07:34 AM
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I remember on the old video games where if you were making a goalie you would choose between "stand-up" and "butterfly".

It amuses me to hear people say "the hybrid is here to stay" because that's what's been said about every goaltending style! I'd bet my lunch that sooner or later - probably later - some hotshot will come along who can play great stand-up 'tender, and then some kids will follow who admired him.

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