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03-13-2006, 08:00 PM
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Modern Day Comparisons

Can anyone make a modern day comparison with each of the Flyers below?
Clarke
Tocchet
Barber
Leach
Bridgman
Kerr
Dornhoefer
Propp
MacLeish
Poulin
Howe
McCrimmon
Van Impe
Joe Watson
Crossman
Lindbergh
Parent
Sinisalo
Craven
Sutter
Ashbee
Wilson
Dupont
Jim Watson

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Clarke - Forsberg but Clarke was a lot meaner (and Forsberg is no choir boy)

Kerr - I can't think of a comparision today. Picture a guy who is huge and can just stand in front of the net and not be moved. Picture the fat guy in the original Ice Hockey game for Nintendo.

Howe - Lidstrom - Howe did everything well and controlled the game offensively and defensively, played a similar style to Lidstrom I think.

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Thanks!
I like the fat man comparison

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Clarke-a slightly more talented Darcy Tucker

Leach-a better skating Brenden Shanahan? Pure sniper.

The rest? I hated the Flyers, so I won't bother with them!

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This is for a video game, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by cup2006sensrule
Kerr - I can't think of a comparision today. Picture a guy who is huge and can just stand in front of the net and not be moved. Picture the fat guy in the original Ice Hockey game for Nintendo.
Tomas Holmstrom with much better hands and about 40 lbs.

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Clarke - Nobody I can think of playing today, think slightly slower, but much better Doug Gilmour

Tocchet - Shanhan in his prime. Slightly tougher, shot not as good.

Barber - Alfredsson minus a bit of the speed. Great all-around LW, that also played the point on the PP.

Leach - Not really anyone like him today. A pure goal scorer, that had a devasating slapshot. Take a look at the goal Brian Savage scored against Buffalo on Saturday, but flip it around from the right wing, and Leach scored a ton of those.

Bridgman - Bobby Holik, but would fight

Kerr - A bigger version of Holmstrom, with hands like Hejduk. Also great face-off man

Dornhoefer - Holmstrom

Propp - Markus Naslund

MacLeish - LeCavalier, ultra talented, but didn't always use that talent.

Poulin - Think Mike Peca of 4 years ago, although not as physical.

Howe - Scott Neidermayer. Just silky smooth, great skater, and great wrist shot

McCrimmon - Adam Foote, minus a bit of the nastiness

Van Impe - A less skilled Derien Hatcher

Crossman - Darryl Sydor

Lindbergh - No goalie today plays the stand up style of Lindbergh/Parent. He was tremendous

Parent - Stand-up style that nobody plays today. His peak wasn't real long, but as good as anyone save Hasek at his best.

Sinisalo - Petr Sykora

Craven - A thinner, speedier, less gritty Handzus

Sutter - A grittier, slower John Madden

Wilson - Bryan McCabe, minus the cannon from the point, but 100X's he fighter than McCabe is. Talented but error prone.

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Clarke - Nobody I can think of playing today, think slightly slower, but much better Doug Gilmour

Tocchet - Shanhan in his prime. Slightly tougher, shot not as good.

Barber - Alfredsson minus a bit of the speed. Great all-around LW, that also played the point on the PP.

Leach - Not really anyone like him today. A pure goal scorer, that had a devasating slapshot. Take a look at the goal Brian Savage scored against Buffalo on Saturday, but flip it around from the right wing, and Leach scored a ton of those.

Bridgman - Bobby Holik, but would fight

Kerr - A bigger version of Holmstrom, with hands like Hejduk. Also great face-off man

Dornhoefer - Holmstrom

Propp - Markus Naslund

MacLeish - LeCavalier, ultra talented, but didn't always use that talent.

Poulin - Think Mike Peca of 4 years ago, although not as physical.

Howe - Scott Neidermayer. Just silky smooth, great skater, and great wrist shot

McCrimmon - Adam Foote, minus a bit of the nastiness

Van Impe - A less skilled Derien Hatcher

Crossman - Darryl Sydor

Lindbergh - No goalie today plays the stand up style of Lindbergh/Parent. He was tremendous

Parent - Stand-up style that nobody plays today. His peak wasn't real long, but as good as anyone save Hasek at his best.

Sinisalo - Petr Sykora

Craven - A thinner, speedier, less gritty Handzus

Sutter - A grittier, slower John Madden

Wilson - Bryan McCabe, minus the cannon from the point, but 100X's he fighter than McCabe is. Talented but error prone.
Great post John. I knew you would be all over this. For the record I think that Howe played at Scott Neidermayer's top level night in and night out.

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John Flyers' Fan's list is really strong, especially agree on the Howe and Propp comps (Brian Propp was a helluva hockey player).

Leach was a guy who wasn't in the scoring zone when the center checked up on the far right boards. The C (Clarke) would lay a beauty pass into a zone and Leach would shoot it at about 400 miles an hour into the net.

Not a lot of comps for Reggie Leach because not many could shoot like him.

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This is the Savage goal I was speaking about.
http://www.philadelphiaflyers.com/si...060311/2057.rm

Imagin him being right handed and flying down the right wing. He always aimed for the same target ... just inside the post, 2 inches off the ice to the far side.


A quick illustration on the greatness of Clarke, by way of Reggie Leach:

Leach's last two seasons with the Golden Seals:
76 games 23-12-35 (-41)
78 games 22-24-46 (-61)

Leach's first two with the Flyers playing next to Clarke
80 games 45-33-78 (+53)
80 games 61-30-91 (+73) ... and then 19 in the playoffs a record which still stands, and a Conn Smythe without winning the Cup, still the only non-goalie to accomplish that feat.

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I thought Kurri had the record for goals in a playoff?

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Clarke - Nobody I can think of playing today, think slightly slower, but much better Doug Gilmour

Tocchet - Shanhan in his prime. Slightly tougher, shot not as good.

Barber - Alfredsson minus a bit of the speed. Great all-around LW, that also played the point on the PP.

Leach - Not really anyone like him today. A pure goal scorer, that had a devasating slapshot. Take a look at the goal Brian Savage scored against Buffalo on Saturday, but flip it around from the right wing, and Leach scored a ton of those.

Bridgman - Bobby Holik, but would fight

Kerr - A bigger version of Holmstrom, with hands like Hejduk. Also great face-off man

Dornhoefer - Holmstrom

Propp - Markus Naslund

MacLeish - LeCavalier, ultra talented, but didn't always use that talent.

Poulin - Think Mike Peca of 4 years ago, although not as physical.

Howe - Scott Neidermayer. Just silky smooth, great skater, and great wrist shot

McCrimmon - Adam Foote, minus a bit of the nastiness

Van Impe - A less skilled Derien Hatcher

Crossman - Darryl Sydor

Lindbergh - No goalie today plays the stand up style of Lindbergh/Parent. He was tremendous

Parent - Stand-up style that nobody plays today. His peak wasn't real long, but as good as anyone save Hasek at his best.

Sinisalo - Petr Sykora

Craven - A thinner, speedier, less gritty Handzus

Sutter - A grittier, slower John Madden

Wilson - Bryan McCabe, minus the cannon from the point, but 100X's he fighter than McCabe is. Talented but error prone.

well done, i def agree with all of these, especially Hatcher to Van Impe...also do you see any shades of tocchet in knuble? I know knuble is not as skilled nor as tough, but they have the same kind of style

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I thought Kurri had the record for goals in a playoff?
Kurri scored 19 to tie Leach.

Kurri in 18 games. Leach did it in 16 games.

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Clarke - Messier. Skilled and rough team captain who never gave up.

Tocchet - This guy resembles to Darcy Tucker. A former fighter with big heart and scoring ability.

Sinisalo - Jere Lehtinen, without the Selke skills.

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Tocchet - This guy resembles to Darcy Tucker. A former fighter with big heart and scoring ability.
I'm not a Tucker fan at all I'll admit, but Darcy is a decent player and he does have a big heart but he couldn't carry Tocchet's jock strap. Tocchet was a real heavyweight while Tucker rarely fights and never with any real enforcers. Tocchet was a far better goal scorer. Maybe late in his career Tocchet may have resembled moreso Tucker now but in the mid-late 80's with the Flyers and with Pittsburgh Tocchet was a dominating force like Neely was or I imagine Ted Lindsay was. A touch below those 2 but a hugely dominating force.

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