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05-13-2012, 09:51 AM
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This trade is actually 10x worse than the OP. You cant be serious.

Malkin is much better but only for two years with Nash and Johnson signed long term. Columbus has become a better team since Jack Johnson arrived. Still dont think he is the greatest in the defensive end, but he brought some competent defensive play and physicality Columbus has been missing all year.


LOL

Malkin has 527 points in 427 Career Games.... 1.24 PPG
Nash has 547 points in 674 Career Games.... .811 PPG

Hes never had a 100 point season, doesnt have a championship under his belt..
Hes played in the NHL playoffs once, and they were swept, our in the first round...

His contract is horrific...

7.8 million per year until 2018...


ah yes the OPs trade was much fair value my mistake pittsburg gives you up and coming prospects, there elite scoring forward...and there 1st round pick...

Why dont we adress the trade alittle differently..


To Pittsburg

Rick Nash
Jack Johnson
1st round pick (2nd Overall )

to Columbus..

Sidney Crosby
Malkin
Letang
1st Overall


STOP BEING A HOMER

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05-13-2012, 10:59 AM
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To Pittsburg

Rick Nash
Jack Johnson
1st round pick (2nd Overall )

to Columbus..

Sidney Crosby
Malkin
Letang
1st Overall
Except that Pittsburgh's 1st is 22nd, not first overall.

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05-13-2012, 11:26 AM
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I dont even thiink that would work in NHL 12

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05-13-2012, 12:18 PM
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Pitts

Jack Johnson
1st round pick (2nd Overall )

Columbus

Michalek
Tangradi/ Kunitz
1st Round pick
2nd Round 2013

Is probably as close to fair value as it gets for CBJ because jack johnson is overrated by his play in LA, when he had a surrounding cast of studs..
Even if Johnson you consider overrated, which for the most part I agree, he is an offensive d-man, who just scored 12 goals and almost 40 points, on closer to 50 point pace with Blue Jackets. That commands a ton more value Michalek + scraps you offer.

Michalek doesnt have much value at all. He is a stay at home d-man, that is making alot of money. those types of d-men dont get alot, see Robyn Regehr. A late 1st, great speaking of overrated assets. 30% chance we get an NHLer in 2-3 years. 2nd rounder, even worse. Tangradi has less value than Letestu, Kunitz doesnt have much value either. Well paid player that doesnt score many points with Crosby. Thats a garbage offer for those players.


Wouldnt trade the 2nd overall for that package. Let alone Johnson.

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LOL

Malkin has 527 points in 427 Career Games.... 1.24 PPG
Nash has 547 points in 674 Career Games.... .811 PPG

Hes never had a 100 point season, doesnt have a championship under his belt..
Hes played in the NHL playoffs once, and they were swept, our in the first round...

His contract is horrific...

7.8 million per year until 2018...


ah yes the OPs trade was much fair value my mistake pittsburg gives you up and coming prospects, there elite scoring forward...and there 1st round pick...

Why dont we adress the trade alittle differently..


To Pittsburg

Rick Nash
Jack Johnson
1st round pick (2nd Overall )

to Columbus..

Sidney Crosby
Malkin
Letang
1st Overall


STOP BEING A HOMER
and he will be gone in two years. Columbus really needs him when they are rebuilding. Great, Malkin will get them into 9th-10th place himself so they can suck even more and then bail to the KHL afterwards.

Those are three top tier assets with many years of control. Sure, you can argue Jack Johnson isnt, but his production says he is close. Hell most 2nd overall picks end up top line player as well. What pick was Malkin again......

Id take that over Evgeni Malkin, or Sidney Crosby as an extended rental.

If they were locked up long-term, then you might have a point.

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05-13-2012, 01:10 PM
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Except that Pittsburgh's 1st is 22nd, not first overall.
He forgot to mention that Pittsburgh traded Staal, Fleury, Despres and Morrow to Edmonton for 1st Overall.

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05-13-2012, 01:14 PM
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To Pittsburgh:
Rick Nash
Jack Johnson
CLB 1st in 2012

To Columbus:
Evgeni Malkin
Zbynek Michalek
Simon Despres
Eric Tangradi
PIT 1st in 2012

Pittsburgh gets a star winger for Crosby, which also lets Staal move up to the number 2 center role. They also get an upgrade on defense, with Johnson.

Columbus gets the star center they so desperately need along with some good young pieces in Despres and Tangradi and a late round 1st to compensate them with the loss of 2nd overall
I think Malkin straight up would be more fair.. still dont see anything like that happening though..

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Columbus doesn't except either, so o-well.

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05-14-2012, 04:40 AM
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To Pittsburgh:
Rick Nash
Jack Johnson
CLB 1st in 2012

To Columbus:
Evgeni Malkin
Zbynek Michalek
Simon Despres
Eric Tangradi
PIT 1st in 2012

Pittsburgh gets a star winger for Crosby, which also lets Staal move up to the number 2 center role. They also get an upgrade on defense, with Johnson.

Columbus gets the star center they so desperately need along with some good young pieces in Despres and Tangradi and a late round 1st to compensate them with the loss of 2nd overall
Just terrible for the Pens.
Two highly overrated players and the 2nd overall pick for one of the top players in the world +
This offer has to be a joke.

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05-14-2012, 04:47 AM
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you are not getting Jack Johnson ... period him along with Johan are about the only 2 players who Columbus are trying to build around for the future ...

and we do not want your throw aways ... we have enough of our own thank you ...

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Pens say no. We already have a player who can get the same number of points as Nash for way cheaper. Say hello to Pascal Dupuis.

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05-14-2012, 09:23 AM
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really bad for CBJ
worse for PIT

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Pens say no. We already have a player who can get the same number of points as Nash for way cheaper. Say hello to Pascal Dupuis.
Because there aren't plenty of legit reasons for Pens fans to decline.

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05-14-2012, 11:06 AM
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I this a joke?? i wouldnt trade staal for nash, almost 8 mil, produces like a 4-5 mil dollar player

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you are not getting Jack Johnson ... period him along with Johan are about the only 2 players who Columbus are trying to build around for the future ...

and we do not want your throw aways ... we have enough of our own thank you ...
hahaha everything in this thread, you pick out Johnson as a guy you wouldnt move even if it meant getting Malkin

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hahaha everything in this thread, you pick out Johnson as a guy you wouldnt move even if it meant getting Malkin
While the notion of anyone not being avauilable for Malkin is a bit silly, you (and anyone else who might have innocently posted out of ignorance) might want to start paying attention to how well JJ played.

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That star center is a ufa next summer.If I'm in Columbus' front office,that is a huge drawback to this trade.
That star center has 2 years left. 2012-2013 and 2013-2014. And the OPs proposal sucks. Pens easily pass.

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This deal would be more fitting for pittsburg
To Pitts

Jack Johnson
1st round pick (2nd overall)

To Columbus

Michalek
Tangradi
1st Round Pick
And it screws CBJ. Jackets pass. I doubt that trade is enough for the 2nd ova pick alone.

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Great, Malkin will get them into 9th-10th place himself so they can suck even more and then bail to the KHL afterwards.
And it went from bad to worse. When has he shown any inclination to play in the KHL? He's a star in the best league in the world. While he could make a bit more money, it's not like he's not well compensated here (and always would be).

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So Pittsburgh has to overpay despite having the Best Player in the deal...

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This trade is actually 10x worse than the OP. You cant be serious.

Malkin is much better but only for two years with Nash and Johnson signed long term. Columbus has become a better team since Jack Johnson arrived. Still dont think he is the greatest in the defensive end, but he brought some competent defensive play and physicality Columbus has been missing all year.
This has to be one of the worst arguments people are using today. "He's not signed to a 12 year contract worth a 100 million so he's he has less value."

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really bad for CBJ
worse for PIT
This would be about my assessment as well.

I know we're all obsessed with every trade always and inevitably having one and only one "winner", but frankly that's just not true. There are trades where both parties can win (Nikitin for Russell this past year, so far)... and there are trades where both parties can lose. This would be in that latter category.

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This has to be one of the worst arguments people are using today. "He's not signed to a 12 year contract worth a 100 million so he's he has less value."
Yeah, it's always either signed to short or a bad monster-contract no one wants. Damned if you, ....

OTOH, you gotta cut Columbus some slack on this, they seem to get burned by players really not wanting to be there disproportionately.

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Just lock this. Its getting nowhere. Its the worst proposal I've ever seen.

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Is probably as close to fair value as it gets for CBJ because jack johnson is overrated by his play in LA, when he had a surrounding cast of studs..[/QUOTE]

He actually played better in cbj. Hes a plus player there (+5) opposed to -12 in la 14 points in 21 games opposed to 24 in 61 in la

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05-14-2012, 04:10 PM
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Rick Nash - .881 ppg - 7.8 million

Meet

Nicklas Backstrom - 1.05 ppg - 6.7million

Meet

Patrick Kane - .925 Ppg - 6.3 Million



Nuff said

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This is all pretty bad...what about:

Staal
Choice of Martin/Michalek/Orpik
2nd or prospect not named Morrow, Despres, Harrington

for

Johnson
2nd Overall

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