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05-14-2012, 12:54 PM
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Options on Gomez (in my order):
1. Overseas - Europe/KHL (doubtful scenario)
2. Buried in the AHL - see if another team would accept him on Montreal's dime (a la Souray when in Edmonton)
3. Buried in Hamilton with strong message to play lights out to get recalled/claimed on waivers!
4. 3rd line center in Montreal (at least wait and see if there will be an amnesty buy-out in the next CBA)
5. Buy-out

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05-14-2012, 01:38 PM
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Bourque, Penner, and AK all... well, we wouldn't lack for risk factor. I don't know who the coach is or how he brings them all together or gets them all to play to their potential. Probably no coach can. I straight out don't like Bourque or Penner, and am somewhat ambivalent on AK, but we do need depth on the wings, and maybe if you have enough of those guys, their slumps can't possibly all overlap... some will be hot just long enough to offset the others being cold?

Anyway, we do need a couple more wingers who at least have some potential to score. I definitely want to pursue it on the UFA market with just Mr. Molson's money, though, I don't want to try making trades when we don't really have enough depth to trade from.

I probably need to scour the FA list a bit more carefully too. But as a fan who actually isn't paid to put together the 100+-page report, I'm always wary of putting too much time on that until we get closer to July 1st, because a bunch of the guys who are on it now won't be by then.
I wonder if Chris Stewart would be available, he's an RFA, but was a healthy scratch for a couple games in the playoffs. Not a good sign, but I'd bet he works harder than Bourque, and he provides more physical play than Penner. The UFA market is pretty bad for top 6 unless you're willing to pay 6+ million. I'd look at Ryan Smyth if he takes a pay cut. David Jones looks interesting, but I'm not familiar with him at all and considering all the FAs Colorado has this summer, he probably re-signs there.

I think the team will have to settle for remaining pretty much the same, possibly build a better bottom 6 and hope for the best. See what's out there next summer, and hope our #3 draft pick is ready to play next year. I don't think the situation is as dire as it seems though.

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05-14-2012, 01:51 PM
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Here's what I would do.

RFAs
Carey Price at 4M per year, short term. (One more short term contract before a longer term contract with more money associated to it)
Lars Eller at 1.7M per year, short term.
Emelin at 1.25M per
PK Subban at 3M per
Blake Geoffrion at 0.85M per
Ryan White at 1M per
Nokelainen at 0.7M per
Diaz at 0.9M per

UFAs
Moen at 1.75M per
Parenteau at 3.25M per

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
P-A Parenteau ($3.250m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Lars Eller ($1.700m) / Rene Bourque ($3.333m)
Travis Moen ($1.750m) / Petteri Nokelainen ($0.700m) / Ryan White ($1.000m)
Blake Geoffrion ($0.850m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m)
Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / P.K. Subban ($3.000m)
Alexei Emelin ($1.250m) / Yannick Weber ($0.850m)
Raphael Diaz ($0.900m) /
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($4.000m)
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
Robert Mayer ($0.530m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,495,476; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,804,524


Sadly it still doesn't look too good, but that's the cards we've been dealt.

IF we do sign Parenteau, it's a step in the right direction, but there is still lots to be done.

I'd give one more opportunity for Weber to fight it out with Emelin and Diaz to see which 2 gets to stay.

Gomez is our problem right now. But the price of a buyout would be steep. And we'd be afflicted by this buyout for 4 years. While it is possible that Marc Bergevin goes that route, with what little I know now, I would wait one more year.. Who knows, maybe he does better this ssn and becomes attractive for a team with little money (as in 2 seasons his cap hit will be 2M upwards of his actual salary) and if it's not the case and we buy him out, we have a 2 years buyout, which makes a bit more sense imo.

Rene Bourque will need to wake up if this lineup wishes to be any better than last ssn's lineup, but we'll see. And an healthy Markov could go a long way to helping the team's successes.

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05-14-2012, 02:12 PM
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I don't want Parenteau. He would never put up the same numbers in Montréal. He's a product of the lack of dept in NYI like Bourque was in Calgary.

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05-14-2012, 02:42 PM
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I don't want Parenteau. He would never put up the same numbers in Montréal. He's a product of the lack of dept in NYI like Bourque was in Calgary.
Do you really compare Parenteau to 4 year 20 goals or more of Bourque???!!! common !

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05-14-2012, 03:31 PM
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Here is a few "moves" i would make to toughen up the Habs to make them a harder team to play against.

sign Jim Slater
sign Jordan Tootoo
offer Mike Knuble a one yr
sign Souray to a one year deal cheap,use him on PP etc.
offer Evgeny Artyukhin a deal
Look at a Ufa's Asham ,George Parros,Staubitz
TRY to trade for Chris Stewart.


Explore if Jagr would come to Montreal on a one yr deal


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05-14-2012, 05:01 PM
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Sign Sheldon Souray

to a 1 year deal. It'd be a home coming of sorts, and he had a pretty decent reemergence last year. But the main reason to do it is to fix the PP which was the Achilles heal last year, and we know he and Markov have some PP chemistry as well he would bring some toughness to the backend. With Tinordi, Beaulieu, and Ellis about a year away, I'd look more towards addressing the D via stopgaps. Kaberle can be dealt, not sure for what kind of return, but he's definitely movable. And with Souray, that would leave us with:

Markov-Subban
Souray-Gorges
Emelin-Diaz

With Beaulieu, Tinordi, and Ellis waiting in the wings...

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05-14-2012, 05:03 PM
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God no.

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05-14-2012, 05:03 PM
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Meh, I'd be all for it. He improved defensively from what I saw.

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05-14-2012, 05:05 PM
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Meh, I'd be all for it. He improved defensively from what I saw.
He can barely skate any more........no thanks

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05-14-2012, 05:09 PM
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Meh, I'd be all for it. He improved defensively from what I saw.
My buddies in Dallas all thought he was excellent for them last year. Only reason he won't get a big deal is because of his age.

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05-14-2012, 05:56 PM
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GM Moves: demote Gomez to AHL.

Re-Sign: Price, Subban, Eller, Moen, White, Staubitz, and Geoffrion.

Trade: Tomas Plekanec to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for 2012 first round pick (sixth overall).

Trade one of Diaz or Weber for assets

Sign UFAs: Matt Carkner, David Jones, Chris Kelly, Zenon Konopka

Draft: Alex Galchenyuk third overall, and one of Jacob Trouba, Dumba, or Grigorenko at sixth. I prefer Trouba.

Lines:
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Jones
Cole - Eller - Gionta
Bourque - Kelly - Leblanc
Moen - Konopka - White
Ex - Staubitz, Geoffrion

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Kaberle - Carkner
Ex - Diaz

Probably a long year but it allows the Habs to develop guys like Eller and to acquire some serious pieces that can develop in the minors.

Our blueline would be fantastic with pieces like Tinordi, Trouba, Ellis, Dietz and Beaulieu coming up and in two years should be developing.

Draft guys with size, talent and character. I'd look at guys like Wilson, Frk, Thrower, Kerdiles, Sutter, etc.

With the 2013 draft coming more of the same. Draft with purpose, get some great talent, hope to get a top 3 pick. Look at trading some guys like Gionta, Markov, and Cole at the deadline to acquire assets and picks. The team should be contending within two seasons with a mixture of veterans and high end young talent.

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05-14-2012, 06:17 PM
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You act as though Plekanec + Weber for Stastny + 2nd is absurd. I don't see how it is.
Stastny is worth a lot more than Plekanec. (3 years younger yet he has more points in fewer games played)

Weber is far from having the value of a 2nd rounder.

It really makes no sense for the Avs to do this trade... Habs would have to add the 2nd if anything.

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05-14-2012, 07:48 PM
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I would be happy to see Souray back

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Yeah here's what they say about Buyouts on http://proicehockey.about.com/od/lea...salary_cap.htm

Contract Buyouts:

For players under the age of 26, a buyout costs the team one-third of remaining contract value.
For players 26 or older, a buyout costs two-thirds of remaining contract value.
On a buyout, the team takes a cap hit for a percentage of the buyout value (according to a very complex formula) spread over twice the length of the remaining contract years.

So I think that would be this for Gomez instead of what I said. You had it right since it's it would be on 4 years, it would suck on that second year lol but getting Gomez was a big mistake and the team have to pay for it I guess :S

2012-13: $3,523,810
2013-14: $4,523,810
2014-15: $1,666,667
2015-16: $1,666,667
Or we do what Chicago did with Cristobal Huet, send his playing rights to a European based club, get him away from the spotlight, let the guy just live his life in Switzerland for a few years. Or my favorite idea......lend him to the Alaska Aces of the ECHL!

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I will never understand the infatuation of some regarding Souray and Artyukhin.

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MTL should buy out Kaberle this summer

Instead of 4.5 for next 2 seasons it will be

2012-13: $1,458,333
◦ 2013-14: $1,208,333
◦ 2014-15: $1,458,333
◦ 2015-16: $1,458,333

Would get 3 more Million for next 2 year.

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Alexander Semin ($6.500m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Travis Moen ($2.000m) / Lars Eller ($1.250m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Ryan White ($0.750m) / Paul Gaustad ($3.000m) / Brad Staubitz ($0.750m)
DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($4.250m)
Sheldon Souray ($2.000m) / Josh Gorges ($3.900m)
Alexei Emelin ($0.750m) / Raphael Diaz ($0.851m)
GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($6.000m)
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $59,208,833; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (20-man roster): $5,091,167

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MTL should buy out Kaberle this summer

Instead of 4.5 for next 2 seasons it will be

2012-13: $1,458,333
◦ 2013-14: $1,208,333
◦ 2014-15: $1,458,333
◦ 2015-16: $1,458,333

Would get 3 more Million for next 2 year.
Buyouts are stupid. Especially if you're buying out a player solely becuase he had one bad season on 2 poor teams.

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05-14-2012, 10:27 PM
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People also have to remember Pacioretty and Desharnais will get raises next summer, Pacioretty in the 4.5-5 range if we're lucky. If we draft a player this year who manages to make the jump next year(2013), his contract will eat up 3.75 of the cap due to his ELC.

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Buyouts are stupid. Especially if you're buying out a player solely becuase he had one bad season on 2 poor teams.
I believe the main reason why people want to buy out Kaberle is because our defense needs improvement in other aspects such as size and physicality. I can't name one defenseman on this team that is efficient at clearing the front of the net. Buying out Kaberle would allow us to us use that cap space on a d-man such as Bryan Allen, Cory Sarich or Shane O'Brien..

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I believe the main reason why people want to buy out Kaberle is because our defense needs improvement in other aspects such as size and physicality. I can't name one defenseman on this team that is efficient at clearing the front of the net. Buying out Kaberle would allow us to us use that cap space on a d-man such as Bryan Allen, Cory Sarich or Shane O'Brien..
Bingo!

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Just throwing this out there, If Murray slips to us... we have to take him! Better off trying to fix the forwards through trade, our defense would be feared top to bottom. Built for years to come with a little restructuring it might be the better option if there's anyway we can acquire a top young forward through trade. Imagine this D next year...


Josh Gorges - P.K. Subban
Andrei Markov - Alexei Emelin
Ryan Murray - Cory Sarich (or another RH Dman of his mold)

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This is how I would build the Habs for next season.

Of course it's all hypothetical. UFA'S that I like might not want to sign for Montreal.

Buyout Gomez. He will still count for 3.3 on the cap but you don't want him in Hamilton leading the kids.

Trade Weber in the offseason for picks.

Re-Sign Moen for 2 Millions/Year. Upgraded from 1.5.

Re-Sign Staubitz for 0.6. He was solid this year for Montreal. He's the perfect tough 4th liner model. He can fight, he can throw a hit. He's seems like a good team player.

Re-Sign Darche for 0.7. I think as a 4th line winger, he can do the job. Cannot hurt that he's a local guy too.

Re-Sign R.White for 0.7. Can fight, can hit. He's built like a tank and he goes in traffic. Can score the big goal. He's worth it on the 4th line.

Re-Sign C.Price. Of course I think that he would accept a 6 millions/year contract for 5 years

Re-Sign Subban for 3.5/y for 4 to 5 years approx.

Re-Sign Yemelin and Diaz. Emelin for 1.250. Diaz for 0.950.

UFAS
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Signs P-A Parenteau for 3 to 3.5 millions a year. Good 2th line winger. Great passer and he'll give you approx 20 goals a year and he's french so that cannot hurt again.

Signs Francis Bouillon to play with Kaberle as the 6th defencement. He's not that tall but he's got big heart and he's built like a tank and is not afraid of physical play. 2 years at 1.3

I would draft Alex Galchenyuk with the 3rd overall pick but I would give him at least another year in juniors since he had that big injury this season.

Unless amazing pre season camp. I would let Louis Leblanc plays a leader role in Hamilton to help him develop smoother.

So here's what it looks like:

Cole - Desharnais - Pacioretty
Gionta - Plekanec - Parenteau
Bourque - Eller - Moen
Darche - White - Staubitz

Markov - Emelin
Subban - Gorges
Kaberle - Bouillon
Diaz

Kaberle and Diaz alterning for 6th D spot

Price
Budaj

Patrick Roy or Alain Vigneault (if he's fired) as a coach

With that line-up at the price I said... I would have approx 3 millions of cap space and yes I counted Gomez

I think that could be a realistic and competitive line-up.

What do you guys think? What would be your Habs line-up for 2012-2013?
Realistic? What would you expect to achieve with it? You'd have Emelin playing on RD once again and inserting a relatively useless Bouillon. Whom could the Habs beat out for 10th with that lineup?

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Great posts but personally I think Gallagher makes the team and quite possibly Beaulieu.

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