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05-14-2012, 04:25 PM
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I see what you're saying... But why increase the travel of a group of teams that are within 100 miles of each other when the goal is to reduce travel. Not all teams will get the benefit, but that's life. We can't move mountains and cities.

Also, how would making Philly travel to St. Louis or Florida be fair? I understand they might have an advantage to have 4 teams within an hours drive, but there isn't much that can be done about those teams.

I don't think smaller divisions are the solution, I think larger groups/conferences are. I think the NHL got it right with their proposal.
Personally I prefer no divisions at all within one conference but how do you format a balanced schedule with all 82 games so 4-team divisions with two expansions and we will get 8 divisions but we also keep its conference for sake of travel and balance schedule:
divisional games: 3 teams, 6 games=18 games
conference games: 4 teams, 4 games=16 games
other teams in league: 24 teams, 2 games=48 games
That makes it 82 games.

How then do you propose a balance schedule to keep its 82 games if we have all 8 teams conference with no divisions?

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05-14-2012, 04:52 PM
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Personally I prefer no divisions at all within one conference but how do you format a balanced schedule with all 82 games so 4-team divisions with two expansions and we will get 8 divisions but we also keep its conference for sake of travel and balance schedule:
divisional games: 3 teams, 6 games=18 games
conference games: 4 teams, 4 games=16 games
other teams in league: 24 teams, 2 games=48 games
That makes it 82 games.

How then do you propose a balance schedule to keep its 82 games if we have all 8 teams conference with no divisions?
I would loosely treat the 2 east & 2 west conferences like a single east & west conference all the way thru the "Final 4". 4 conferences feels like it promotes regional competition more than divisions, though it's essentially the same thing. Having 2 conferences and no divisions is just too much coverage and feels too spread out vs 4 conferences.

Honesty I feel the whole east/west + divisions things has to go. 4 conferences sounds pretty exciting to me at least.

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I see what you're saying... But why increase the travel of a group of teams that are within 100 miles of each other when the goal is to reduce travel. Not all teams will get the benefit, but that's life. We can't move mountains and cities.

Also, how would making Philly travel to St. Louis or Florida be fair? I understand they might have an advantage to have 4 teams within an hours drive, but there isn't much that can be done about those teams.

I don't think smaller divisions are the solution, I think larger groups/conferences are. I think the NHL got it right with their proposal.
For me when I did my divisions, the goal was not so much reduced travel, but increased fairness for the maximum number of teams in the league. Splitting up the Atlantic division and increasing travel for all those teams is part of the equation when shooting for actual fairness. The ability of those 5 teams to travel so easily to one another is a significant advantage that no other group of teams really has except for Los Angeles and Anaheim. And the NJ/NYI/NYR cluster still has their reduced travel advantage intact.

Spreading the travel out and making it more equal will make all the teams outside of the current atlantic division a bit more attractive and increase those teams ability to lure free agents.

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05-14-2012, 05:41 PM
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The very first part of this doesn't fly with me, splitting up Boston and Montreal is not very smart.

I didn't really read much after that to tell the truth.

A rivalry like that is important to keep.

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05-14-2012, 08:25 PM
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This makes no sense in both travel and building rivalries. Change Seattle and Winnipeg around, it`s not necessary to have 2 all Canadian Divisions

North Western Division
Chicago Blackhawks
Minnesota Wild
Winnipeg Jets
Colorado Avalanche


Western Division
Seattle Hockey Club
Calgary Flames
Edmonton Oilers
Vancouver Canucks


This makes far more sense it reduces travel, especially for Vancouver and Seattle. And it puts Seattle in the same Division to what would likely become their number one rival, Vancouver.
Well put. I like the idea of team in Seattle and hope one day that it can workout.

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Going off the 32 team, 8 division concept, I think the best I can do with divisions is this:

Boston
Montreal
Ottawa
Quebec

Buffalo
New York R
New York I
New Jersey

Carolina
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Washington

Dallas
Florida
Nashville
Tampa Bay

Colorado
Minnesota
St. Louis
Winnipeg

Chicago
Columbus
Detroit
Toronto

Calgary
Edmonton
Seattle
Vancouver

Anaheim
Los Angeles
Phoenix
San Jose
Second reply to your post above, this time with a possible alternative alignment:

Boston
Quebec City
Montreal
Ottawa

New York I
New York R
New Jersey
Philadelphia

Carolina
Washington
Tampa Bay
Florida

Nashville
Columbus
Pittsburgh
Detroit

Buffalo
Toronto
Minnesota
Winnipeg

Chicago
St Louis
Dallas
Colorado

Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Seattle

San Jose
Los Angeles
Anaheim
Phoenix

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There are already too many teams. Adding two more will only dilute the talent that much more. So I stopped right there.

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Any realignment option that has Montreal and Boston in separate divisions is rubbish.

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There are already too many teams. Adding two more will only dilute the talent that much more. So I stopped right there.
Well there will be expansion. It's a given. The NHL is all about money, they don't care if the talent is diluted. The NHLPA is also on board as it means more players in the NHL.

2 new teams, one in Markham and one in Quebec City are I think a really high probability as the Canadian teams put tons of money into the NHL.

The expansion would be in 2 years time when the new arenas are completed.

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Well there will be expansion. It's a given. The NHL is all about money, they don't care if the talent is diluted. The NHLPA is also on board as it means more players in the NHL.
Of course there will be; the only question is 'when?'

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Well there will be expansion. It's a given. The NHL is all about money, they don't care if the talent is diluted. The NHLPA is also on board as it means more players in the NHL.

2 new teams, one in Markham and one in Quebec City are I think a really high probability as the Canadian teams put tons of money into the NHL.

The expansion would be in 2 years time when the new arenas are completed.
And they'll be wondering why people feel like Bettman is doing a bad job. Look at how many teams are having financial problems, and that's only the ones we know off. Ever since he's been in power, he's been trying to build on sand instead of working on a solid foundation.

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And they'll be wondering why people feel like Bettman is doing a bad job. Look at how many teams are having financial problems, and that's only the ones we know off. Ever since he's been in power, he's been trying to build on sand instead of working on a solid foundation.
If there are truly all these teams that speculate are having financial problems, then the other teams must all be doing really really great... because we keep getting reports every Season that the NHL is making record revenues. The Black and Red League, I guess.

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Going off the 32 team, 8 division concept, I think the best I can do with divisions is this:

Boston
Montreal
Ottawa
Quebec

Buffalo
New York R
New York I
New Jersey

Carolina
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Washington

Dallas
Florida
Nashville
Tampa Bay

Colorado
Minnesota
St. Louis
Winnipeg

Chicago
Columbus
Detroit
Toronto

Calgary
Edmonton
Seattle
Vancouver

Anaheim
Los Angeles
Phoenix
San Jose
Distance wise this is probably the best i've seen posted here so far.

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Distance wise this is probably the best i've seen posted here so far.
Too many divisions. Might as well split the league into 2 leagues like MLB.

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If there are truly all these teams that speculate are having financial problems, then the other teams must all be doing really really great... because we keep getting reports every Season that the NHL is making record revenues. The Black and Red League, I guess.
You have the Canadian dollar to thank for that my friend and yes, you are correct, some top US teams are doing well.

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Distance wise this is probably the best i've seen posted here so far.
If "distance" is truly your most important factor, then you should like this:

Boston
Quebec City
Montreal
Ottawa

New York I
New York R
New Jersey
Philadelphia

Carolina
Washington
Tampa Bay
Florida

Toronto
Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Detroit

Columbus
Chicago
Minnesota
Winnipeg

Nashville
St Louis
Dallas
Colorado

Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver
Seattle

San Jose
Los Angeles
Anaheim
Phoenix

Again, assuming a Seattle-Quebec City expansion...
But I seriously doubt that everyone will be onboard with letting "distance" be the deciding realignment factor.

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it tended to keep a few of teams together also like boston- montreal, pitt- philly

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If i were the owner of the Phoneix team, i would move it to Seattle in a heartbeat....

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