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05-15-2012, 03:28 PM
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Oh god, the playoff choker jokes would be too much...
You're kidding? JT isn't as bad as he reputation suggests and neither is Luongo.

I get the criticism but a 28 year old in grabovski doesn't even know what the NHL playoffs look like and JT is a choker? Jesus... If people want to complain, let them, but leafs will be stealing their playoff spot most likely.

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05-15-2012, 03:28 PM
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I think it's pretty fair. I don't know if leafs should do it though. It only makes sense if JT is the 'final piece' but leafs have goaltending issues too. If say leafs acquire JT and Luongo, instant contenders IMO. Would I suggest it? Probably not. Build from within. Still, imagine JT and Kessel together. Hard to pass up.



Pretty much and I understand both point of views obviously.
I should clarify is not giving up the 5th pick Schenn or Kule my problem is I think only one of the 5th pick or Schenn needs to be there I think the 3rd asset can be replaced

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05-15-2012, 03:29 PM
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We have one Tim Thomas thread to Toronto, and another Joe Thornton trade to Toronto. The Leafs finished 5th worst last season so maybe the OP could explain why he wants someone on the Leafs that'll cost an arm and a leg, and is approaching the twilight of his career. It's a really bad idea, unless Leafs fans love to wallow in mediocrity!

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05-15-2012, 03:31 PM
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Only significant asset i would be willing to part with is Luke Schenn. I'd add to him but nothing significant. Joe is reaching the end and its just far to short term. Dont get me wrong, fantastic player however the leafs team/cupboards are not stocked enough to afford overpaying for a 34 year old. If we trade for joe it will likely leave us with many other holes. The leafs are not close enough to contending to be able to capitalize on the small window joe thorton has to win a cup/carry a team to a cup. Hes a heft stop gap and only a team on the brink of contention can afford to pay the premium. Sharks fans are most likely not interested in Schenn and so be it.
our cupboards are getting pretty stocked IMO with this 5th pick whoever it ends up being + Kadri, Colborne, + Gardiner+b percey, + biggs + blacker + Scrivens + rynass

Our Cupboards are not nearly as bare as they once were

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05-15-2012, 03:31 PM
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Joe Thornton, is a great centre one of the true number 1's in the league, but at 32, for how long? It would be a gamble on Burke's part Joe may not like the pressure in Toronto and may want out and not perform(see Tim Connolly, Kris Versteeg or Alex Steen or guys like Brad Richards who listened but only half heartedly)

This is why the 2012 first isn't available, they could work out something around a 1st rnd pick if the Leafs win a cup while he's still signed to San Jose paper, if the Leafs don't win a cup with him then the first comes off the table. If the Leafs re-sign him then a conditional 2nd and 3rd are handed over

He carries two more years on his contract at a cap hit of 7m another reason why the first is not available, in this San Jose would need to take back salary to be sure

Lombardi or Armstrong(1yr respectively) + Komisarek(2yrs left) + that conditional 1st or 2nd+3rd + any 2 of Blacker, D'amigo or Colborne

Joe would only be traded if he wants to leave or Wilson feels he can no longer win with the line-up the way it is

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05-15-2012, 03:34 PM
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Oh god, the playoff choker jokes would be too much...
Joke all they want, Joe's playoff stats aren't half as bad as many suggest.

Luongo "choked" his team all the way to game 7 of the Stanley Cup Finals last season. Ya he sucks

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05-15-2012, 03:40 PM
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Joe Thornton, is a great centre one of the true number 1's in the league, but at 32, for how long? It would be a gamble on Burke's part Joe may not like the pressure in Toronto and may want out and not perform(see Tim Connolly, Kris Versteeg or Alex Steen or guys like Brad Richards who listened but only half heartedly)

This is why the 2012 first isn't available, they could work out something around a 1st rnd pick if the Leafs win a cup while he's still signed to San Jose paper, if the Leafs don't win a cup with him then the first comes off the table. If the Leafs re-sign him then a conditional 2nd and 3rd are handed over

He carries two more years on his contract at a cap hit of 7m another reason why the first is not available, in this San Jose would need to take back salary to be sure

Lombardi or Armstrong(1yr respectively) + Komisarek(2yrs left) + that conditional 1st or 2nd+3rd + any 2 of Blacker, D'amigo or Colborne

Joe would only be traded if he wants to leave or Wilson feels he can no longer win with the line-up the way it is
Joe Thornton blows all of the guys you listed out of the water. And he's done a lot of maturing and growing up since he left Boston.

I'm okay with taking back salary, but not two cap dumps and a conditional pick and two B prospects. Not happening.

Bottom line is, if the Sharks trade Joe, they need the potential for elite talent to be coming back. That's why Toronto's first this season has to be part of the deal. I know everyone likes to call Joe declining and whatever, but his style of play will be effective for 8-10 more years. He hasn't had injury issues in a long time and he doesn't rely on physical gifts that decline with age to play at an elite level.

If Joe is traded, it's for a Jeff Carter return and then some.

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05-15-2012, 03:48 PM
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The Leafs would love big Joe, he's exactly what this team needs. With that being said, I would give up anything for him except our 1st rounder this year. I think BB has every intention to draft with that pick, so trading it isn't even an option. But I would be fine with giving up anything else (Except Kessel or Phaneuf obviously).

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05-15-2012, 03:50 PM
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5th overall, kulemin and schenn?

Not a leafs fan but I consider that more than fair. Maybe even a little too much.
Pretty bad for the Sharks, Schenn is brutal.

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05-15-2012, 03:51 PM
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The 1st is a deal breaker, either it's part of the deal, or Big Joe isn't in the conversation. That's all there is to it, sorry.

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The 1st is a deal breaker, either it's part of the deal, or Big Joe isn't in the conversation. That's all there is to it, sorry.
not that I'd do it but I think Burke would move Gardiner before the 5th pick

that said I'd rather move the 5th pick I hope Gardiner is as close to untouchable as humanly possible

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The Leafs would love big Joe, he's exactly what this team needs. With that being said, I would give up anything for him except our 1st rounder this year. I think BB has every intention to draft with that pick, so trading it isn't even an option. But I would be fine with giving up anything else (Except Kessel or Phaneuf obviously).
i disagree I think that pick can be had for sure. It may not be moved but I doubt very much it is untouchable

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not that I'd do it but I think Burke would move Gardiner before the 5th pick

that said I'd rather move the 5th pick I hope Gardiner is as close to untouchable as humanly possible
I don't see Burke moving the 5th pick either. But if he wants Thornton (which I also am on the fence about), realistically that pick has to be going the other way, in addition to one or two of Kulimen/Kadri/Colborne.

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Remember, we could theoretically send the 17th back as well, but Thornton + 17th isn't going to be cheap.

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SJ isn't rebuilding. And the 2013 pick? If you're trading for JT, the 2012 pick would have to be included.

Think something like this: And even then I don't see what incentive there is for SJ to do this. They're NOT rebuilding and this doesn't help them win now.

2012 1st
Schenn
Kadri
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Not a Leaf fan by any means but that's an overpayment from the Leafs.

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05-15-2012, 04:03 PM
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I don't see Burke moving the 5th pick either. But if he wants Thornton (which I also am on the fence about), realistically that pick has to be going the other way, in addition to one or two of Kulimen/Kadri/Colborne.
No I think he'd want Joe, Joe is exactly what we need Lupul-Thornton-Kessel would just be nasty and I don't think he'd have an issue moving Kulimen or Kadri I just think he'd want to find a way around moving the 5th mostly due to Joe's age.

I', not saying I think he's against moving the 5th cause I believe that can be had but I think if the 5th gets moved it's for a Jordan staal type or a Ryan Getzlaf type IF the ducks were dumb enough to move him which they aren''t.

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No I think he'd want Joe, Joe is exactly what we need Lupul-Thornton-Kessel would just be nasty and I don't think he'd have an issue moving Kulimen or Kadri I just think he'd want to find a way around moving the 5th mostly due to Joe's age.

I', not saying I think he's against moving the 5th cause I believe that can be had but I think if the 5th gets moved it's for a Jordan staal type or a Ryan Getzlaf type IF the ducks were dumb enough to move him which they aren''t.
Lupul-Thornton-Kessel would definitely challenge for the best line in the league. And since Grabovski would be taking the hard minutes, I'd confidently say that Joe could hit 90 points again.

But as for the pick, you aren't going to get a young #1C in his prime for that pick. Your best bet is to get a Thornton type that many would overlook due to his age and reputation, but who is actually a good fit and has plenty of years left in him.

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Lupul-Thornton-Kessel would definitely challenge for the best line in the league. And since Grabovski would be taking the hard minutes, I'd confidently say that Joe could hit 90 points again.

But as for the pick, you aren't going to get a young #1C in his prime for that pick. Your best bet is to get a Thornton type that many would overlook due to his age and reputation, but who is actually a good fit and has plenty of years left in him.
well look at that a Leaf fan and a fan of…..well any team really having a civil conversation on HFboards

who would have thought? is this the dawn of a new era an era where Leaf fans and other fans can live in peace and harmony?

Nah that won't happen

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well look at that a Leaf fan and a fan of…..well any team really having a civil conversation on HFboards

who would have thought? is this the dawn of a new era an era where Leaf fans and other fans can live in peace and harmony?

Nah that won't happen
As if.

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Can't see Toronto giving up what San Jose would want for Joe, he's going to be 33 years old to start next season. Still a great player but he doesn't fit in with the current age group or in the long term plans (only 2 more seasons and he's UFA).

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Can't see Toronto giving up what San Jose would want for Joe, he's going to be 33 years old to start next season. Still a great player but he doesn't fit in with the current age group or in the long term plans (only 2 more seasons and he's UFA).
he doesn't fit the age group of the current core no but that isn't really a bad thing. Every team needs a couple o vets you can'y win without a couple of vets Thornton could help fill that role

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Can't see Toronto giving up what San Jose would want for Joe, he's going to be 33 years old to start next season. Still a great player but he doesn't fit in with the current age group or in the long term plans (only 2 more seasons and he's UFA).
Joe is also from Ontario and he's shown willingness to put the team over his pay check, so I don't think the Leafs would have a huge problem re-signing him.

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he doesn't fit the age group of the current core no but that isn't really a bad thing. Every team needs a couple o vets you can'y win without a couple of vets Thornton could help fill that role
I agree but Burke's not giving up 5th overall ++ for 2 years of Joe who will be already 33 years old to start next season.

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Oh god, the playoff choker jokes would be too much...
Haha at least they would be an upgrade on the regular season choker comments!

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Happy watching Joe wallow in despair while he finishes his days as a Shark.
At least the Sharks make the playoffs.

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