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05-15-2012, 10:19 PM
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Eller has not developped into a first or second line center...at best he will
remain as a third line centre...and not that great at that.
As a center you must see the ice really well and create opportunities for your
wingers. He doesn't do that well.
I would rather see Eller on the wing...or trade him for a 1st round pick...
around 20th overall.

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05-15-2012, 10:28 PM
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Eller has not developped into a first or second line center...at best he will
remain as a third line centre...and not that great at that.
As a center you must see the ice really well and create opportunities for your
wingers
. He doesn't do that well.
I would rather see Eller on the wing...or trade him for a 1st round pick...
around 20th overall.
Quite hard to do when you play with Darche, Moen, Blunden etc...And yet he still managed to put up 30 points. Play him with some talent and you have a consistent 50 pt player, at least!. Not bad for a 3rd line center/winger eh

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05-15-2012, 10:37 PM
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Eller has not developped into a first or second line center...at best he will
remain as a third line centre...and not that great at that.
As a center you must see the ice really well and create opportunities for your
wingers. He doesn't do that well.
I would rather see Eller on the wing...or trade him for a 1st round pick...
around 20th overall.
Yeah good idea.. trade him away, so we can be kicking ourselves over it when he starts to really come into his own with another team..

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05-15-2012, 10:43 PM
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Eller has not developped into a first or second line center...at best he will
remain as a third line centre...and not that great at that.
As a center you must see the ice really well and create opportunities for your
wingers. He doesn't do that well.
I would rather see Eller on the wing...or trade him for a 1st round pick...
around 20th overall.
Either on the wing or at centre he is well on his way to being a big strong power forward. Trading him now is a stupid idea.

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05-15-2012, 10:44 PM
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You guys clearly overate the skill level of Eller. The night he scored four goals
was thanks to AK so set him up...empty net goals.
Eller is just a Danish pastry.
Trade him for a 1st round pick...we will be smiling...pick up Nicholas Kerdiles...
great speedy gritty young player.

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05-15-2012, 10:45 PM
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Eller has not developped into a first or second line center...at best he will
remain as a third line centre...and not that great at that.
As a center you must see the ice really well and create opportunities for your
wingers. He doesn't do that well.
I would rather see Eller on the wing...or trade him for a 1st round pick...
around 20th overall.
I would agree with the exact opposite of everything in this post. Well, almost: he hasn't developed into a 1st-line center - I'll give you that - but the rest is completely off the mark. And might I remind you that you're disparaging a 22 year-old who has limited ice time and very limited talent on his wings. When you're developing players, you have to have more patience than that.


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05-15-2012, 10:47 PM
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Either on the wing or at centre he is well on his way to being a big strong power forward. Trading him now is a stupid idea.
Stupid...is overating is talent level. I clearly understand why the Blues didn't
trade one of their other young talented players....like TJ Oshie, David Perron.

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05-15-2012, 10:56 PM
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Stupid...is overating is talent level. I clearly understand why the Blues didn't
trade one of their other young talented players....like TJ Oshie, David Perron.
I bet you were rambling on with the same nonsense after paciorettys first couple seasons.

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05-15-2012, 11:03 PM
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I would agree with the exact opposite of everything in this post. Well, almost: he hasn't developed into a 1st-line center - I'll give you that - but the rest is completely off the mark. And might I remind you that you're disparaging a 22 year-old who has limited ice time and very limited talent on his wings. When you're developing players, you have to have more patience than that.
I totally disagree with you. As a centerman...you must create scoring chances
for your wingers...don't get me wrong...Eller is a good skater...nice size...poor
use of his size...doesn't read the play in front of him well enough.
Anyone who thinks he could be a 1st or 2nd line centre...should get their head
check out...delusional thoughts setting in!!!
Gauthier...the Habs clearly got the raw end of that deal. The Blues must be
laughing...ACCEPT IT!!! WE GOT HOSED!!!

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05-15-2012, 11:08 PM
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I bet you were rambling on with the same nonsense after paciorettys first couple seasons.
Pacioretty is 20 times better than Eller...and I came to that conclusion
immidiately. You build around guys like Max Pacioretty.
Talent...you either have it or you don't.
Obviously, you are not a good judge of talent...

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05-15-2012, 11:13 PM
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Either on the wing or at centre he is well on his way to being a big strong power forward. Trading him now is a stupid idea.
Down the stretch, Eller did very little to help the team...though he took some
stupid penalties...hitting from behind...hooking calls...even Darche looked better
than him before getting injured.
The Blues clearly understood, it wasn't Eller who would make them better down the
middle...that's why they traded him to us.

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05-15-2012, 11:14 PM
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I totally disagree with you. As a centerman...you must create scoring chances
for your wingers...don't get me wrong...Eller is a good skater...nice size...poor
use of his size...doesn't read the play in front of him well enough.
Anyone who thinks he could be a 1st or 2nd line centre...should get their head
check out...delusional thoughts setting in!!!
Gauthier...the Habs clearly got the raw end of that deal. The Blues must be
laughing...ACCEPT IT!!! WE GOT HOSED!!!
Every once in a while, there's always that one poster that provoks others.. And you sir, desperately lack of patience toward Eller. Why trade him for a young prospect like Kerdiles who's upside might not even be as high as Eller...that is plain stupid. If you want a fast player with grit.. Just pick him in the 2nd to 7th round... No need to waste an already established player with offensive potential...

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05-15-2012, 11:23 PM
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Every once in a while, there's always that one poster that provoks others.. And you sir, desperately lack of patience toward Eller. Why trade him for a young prospect like Kerdiles who's upside might not even be as high as Eller...that is plain stupid. If you want a fast player with grit.. Just pick him in the 2nd to 7th round... No need to waste an already established player with offensive potential...
You haven't seen Kerdiles play...Establish or not...Eller doesn't have the talent...
he's got size+ good skating ability...though he doesn't make plays...Accept it!!!
HL...you are one of many Hab fans who can't see talent or lack of talent!!!
Through your rose coloured glasses everything is a blur!!!

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05-15-2012, 11:24 PM
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I totally disagree with you. As a centerman...you must create scoring chances
for your wingers...don't get me wrong...Eller is a good skater...nice size...poor
use of his size...doesn't read the play in front of him well enough.
Anyone who thinks he could be a 1st or 2nd line centre...should get their head
check out...delusional thoughts setting in!!!
Gauthier...the Habs clearly got the raw end of that deal. The Blues must be
laughing...ACCEPT IT!!! WE GOT HOSED!!!
Doesn't really matter how many chances you create if your line mates are Darche and Moen...

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You haven't seen Kerdiles play...Establish or not...Eller doesn't have the talent...
he's got size+ good skating ability...though he doesn't make plays...Accept it!!!
HL...you are one of many Hab fans who can't see talent or lack of talent!!!
Through your rose coloured glasses everything is a blur!!!
Or maybe you're the one who can't see talent!!!

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I totally disagree with you. As a centerman...you must create scoring chances
for your wingers...don't get me wrong...Eller is a good skater...nice size...poor
use of his size...doesn't read the play in front of him well enough.
Anyone who thinks he could be a 1st or 2nd line centre...should get their head
check out...delusional thoughts setting in!!!
Gauthier...the Habs clearly got the raw end of that deal. The Blues must be
laughing...ACCEPT IT!!! WE GOT HOSED!!!
I guess we're not going to agree then.

I see a young player with good size, hands and vision that hasn't started clicking offensively yet. He made the team under Martin who wanted him to work on his defensive play, putting his offence on the back burner.

He never gives up on a play, is fierce along the boards and has a very underrated shot. Give this kid some confidence and some decent TOI and he'll prove you wrong.

He reminds me of Max in his first season and a half: shows flashes, but ends up running around a little too much. With a good coach, he'll get there.

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05-15-2012, 11:32 PM
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I guess we're not going to agree then.

I see a young player with good size, hands and vision that hasn't started clicking offensively yet. He made the team under Martin who wanted him to work on his defensive play, putting his offence on the back burner.

He never gives up on a play, is fierce along the boards and has a very underrated shot. Give this kid some confidence and some decent TOI and he'll prove you wrong.

He reminds me of Max in his first season and a half: shows flashes, but ends up running around a little too much. With a good coach, he'll get there.
I don't see it...I looked at the way Eller play the last two years. The only thing
I think to myself...is that we got taken to the cleaners by the Blues...one of the
two worse moves Gauthier made...the other was getting Gomez for McDonagh.

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haha keep posting brother! fight the good fight!

oh and gainey traded mcdo but, semantics....

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05-15-2012, 11:49 PM
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I don't see it...I looked at the way Eller play the last two years. The only thing
I think to myself...is that we got taken to the cleaners by the Blues...one of the
two worse moves Gauthier made...the other was getting Gomez for McDonagh.
If I am Max Pacioretty...I would be insulted if I was compared to Eller.
Don't get me wrong...Eller seems like a nice guy...but certainly not a top 6 player
on any NHL roster...realistically, he will be our 4th line centre or at best a winger
on the 3rd line.

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haha keep posting brother! fight the good fight!

oh and gainey traded mcdo but, semantics....

Gainey made the trade on Gauthier's strong recommendation...hmmm...yup..that's
right!!!

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Eller had 6 less Even Strength points than Plekanec in his second full season.

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Let's stick to draft discussion. There are plenty of other topics in which we can talk about Pacioretty and Eller.

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Eller had 6 less Even Strength points than Plekanec in his second full season.
I agree with you...Plekanec had a lousy year...though Plekanec has a great deal
more HOCKEY SENSE or PUCK SENSE than Eller...and it's not even close!!!
If we begin to value Eller as a better player than Plekanec...we will be bottom
dwellers for a while yet!!!

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I still say trade Plekanec. Look at the team objectively - sure he's our best two way player but he nets a huge asset if traded. Lets be honest - the Habs are a one line team with a lot of building blocks needed to become contenders. Eller can slide into Plekanec's second line role and should do well with more ice time. Desharnais stays on the top line and we can sign a guy like Chris Kelly, Dominic Moore or Jarret Stoll to play third line minutes. The return that Plekanec nets should be fairly substantial and should really expedite the rebuild.

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I still say trade Plekanec. Look at the team objectively - sure he's our best two way player but he nets a huge asset if traded. Lets be honest - the Habs are a one line team with a lot of building blocks needed to become contenders. Eller can slide into Plekanec's second line role and should do well with more ice time. Desharnais stays on the top line and we can sign a guy like Chris Kelly, Dominic Moore or Jarret Stoll to play third line minutes. The return that Plekanec nets should be fairly substantial and should really expedite the rebuild.
I don't hate the idea, after all we can't win with the group of players that we have, we could trade a few to get interesting young guyz, 2012 picks or juicy draft picks for the 2013 draft, as long as we keep : Pacio,Subban,Gorges,Emelin,Price,Eller and Desharnais

Imagine us with a lot of rookie this year, developing the young guns all year long, finishing 30th in the league and draft the great NATHAN MACKINNON, dreams dreams dreams...

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