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05-15-2012, 03:13 AM
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Ok, so I have a crazy proposition:

Giordano, Babchuk (We aren't even using him), 2013 4th

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Perron, Cole, Colaiacovo

considering he offered Perron and Cole for Giordano already, this means we are also giving up Babchuk and a 4th for the rights to Colaiacovo, I would pass and pursue Colaiacovo as a UFA on July 1st and banish Babchuk to the KHL

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Perron is worth Gio straight up let alone adding cole.

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05-15-2012, 10:26 AM
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Perron is worth Gio straight up let alone adding cole.
Not a chance, Perron has tons of skill, but you know exactly what you will get with Gio because he has been consistent ever since he came back from Russia. His contract is awesome, Perron has too many question marks.

I would not give up Gio unless it was an overpayment. So Cole is that extra bit that would entice me to trade Gio, otherwise it is not worth it.

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considering he offered Perron and Cole for Giordano already, this means we are also giving up Babchuk and a 4th for the rights to Colaiacovo, I would pass and pursue Colaiacovo as a UFA on July 1st and banish Babchuk to the KHL
Didn't realize Colaiacovo was a UFA. Still though, we move Babchuk's contract...maybe take out the 4th then?

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05-15-2012, 08:27 PM
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Didn't realize Colaiacovo was a UFA. Still though, we move Babchuk's contract...maybe take out the 4th then?
Babchuk is a self entitled whiner IMO, he is not afraid to desert his team. So I would waive him and send him to Abbotsford, if he refuses to report we can void the final year of his contract and not give up an asset to get rid of him (because no one is going to take a guy who can only do 2 things right) and then we don't have him counting against the cap or contract limit either.

I would take this approach with Babchuk, Carson and Karlsson. I think Babchuk and Karlsson will take their balls and go home if this is to happen.

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05-15-2012, 09:16 PM
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Babchuk is a self entitled whiner IMO, he is not afraid to desert his team. So I would waive him and send him to Abbotsford, if he refuses to report we can void the final year of his contract and not give up an asset to get rid of him (because no one is going to take a guy who can only do 2 things right) and then we don't have him counting against the cap or contract limit either.

I would take this approach with Babchuk, Carson and Karlsson. I think Babchuk and Karlsson will take their balls and go home if this is to happen.
What's with the Babchuck hate? I remember him getting no opportunities all year and being a gentleman about it. Unlike Sarich, who went to the media with a trade request, Babchuck has grinded it out in the press box waiting for a chance to play, and hasn't played bad when given a chance. Can't ask for a better 7th D-man IMO.

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05-15-2012, 10:05 PM
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What's with the Babchuck hate? I remember him getting no opportunities all year and being a gentleman about it. Unlike Sarich, who went to the media with a trade request, Babchuck has grinded it out in the press box waiting for a chance to play, and hasn't played bad when given a chance. Can't ask for a better 7th D-man IMO.
Babchuk deserted the Hurricanes twice to go play in Russia. His agent complained about his ice time during the Tim Erixon saga. Then only signed with us when he got no other offers.

He is bad defensively, he is less physical than Bouwmeester, he couldn't skate to save his life and the only pluses to his game are a big shot and the fact he blocks shots (which may or may not be attributed to the fact he is too slow to get out of the way).

And we don't know Sarich requested a trade, we know Warrener (and only Warrener) said Sarich wanted a trade, which Sarich said were untrue.

Also I would rather have a defenseman upset about not playing one than one that is content counting his cash in the pressbox.

And a better #7 defenseman would be one making 1/4 of Babchuk's bloated 2.5 million.

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Babchuk deserted the Hurricanes twice to go play in Russia. His agent complained about his ice time during the Tim Erixon saga. Then only signed with us when he got no other offers.

He is bad defensively, he is less physical than Bouwmeester, he couldn't skate to save his life and the only pluses to his game are a big shot and the fact he blocks shots (which may or may not be attributed to the fact he is too slow to get out of the way).

And we don't know Sarich requested a trade, we know Warrener (and only Warrener) said Sarich wanted a trade, which Sarich said were untrue.

Also I would rather have a defenseman upset about not playing one than one that is content counting his cash in the pressbox.

And a better #7 defenseman would be one making 1/4 of Babchuk's bloated 2.5 million.
That's funny. But also evidence of some hate going on here.

Yeah he could use a pay cut. I wouldn't be heart broken if he was traded or sent down, but I would prefer to see what he brings out of training camp. This is a contract year for him. His skating isn't as bad as you make it sound, and yes he's soft, but when he's on his game he can QB the blueline.

I think he can be the 28 year old M.A Bergeron. Worth a depth trade return if nothing else coming late February next season.

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05-16-2012, 03:51 AM
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That's funny. But also evidence of some hate going on here.

Yeah he could use a pay cut. I wouldn't be heart broken if he was traded or sent down, but I would prefer to see what he brings out of training camp. This is a contract year for him. His skating isn't as bad as you make it sound, and yes he's soft, but when he's on his game he can QB the blueline.

I think he can be the 28 year old M.A Bergeron. Worth a depth trade return if nothing else coming late February next season.
obviously the too slow to get out of the way comment was a joke, so its not evidence of anything. I don't even hate Babchuk, I just don't see a place for him on this team in any capacity, I also question his character for the reasons I stated previously.

I do not want him on this team because I believe that no defense pairing should be made up of 2 guys that need to play sheltered minutes because of them lacking on the defensive side of the game and we now have Brodie who while still lacking defensively is better in his own end than Babchuk, is much more mobile than Babchuk, is more physical than Babchuk, is a better puck mover than Babchuk and to top it off his cap hit more than $1,750,000 lower than Babchuk.

As long as Brodie is in our plans (and he should be as I am sure we can all agree) then there is no place for Babchuk in any capacity, or at least that is how I see it. It would be better for Brodie (and the team) to pair TJ with a defensively sound veteran that can cover for Brodie's mistakes so that he can get more comfortable playing against tougher competition.

If for some reason Brodie did not make the NHL club next year, then I would want Babchuk on the team.

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obviously the too slow to get out of the way comment was a joke, so its not evidence of anything. I don't even hate Babchuk, I just don't see a place for him on this team in any capacity, I also question his character for the reasons I stated previously.

I do not want him on this team because I believe that no defense pairing should be made up of 2 guys that need to play sheltered minutes because of them lacking on the defensive side of the game and we now have Brodie who while still lacking defensively is better in his own end than Babchuk, is much more mobile than Babchuk, is more physical than Babchuk, is a better puck mover than Babchuk and to top it off his cap hit more than $1,750,000 lower than Babchuk.

As long as Brodie is in our plans (and he should be as I am sure we can all agree) then there is no place for Babchuk in any capacity, or at least that is how I see it. It would be better for Brodie (and the team) to pair TJ with a defensively sound veteran that can cover for Brodie's mistakes so that he can get more comfortable playing against tougher competition.

If for some reason Brodie did not make the NHL club next year, then I would want Babchuk on the team.
That's a fair point to be making about giving Brodie a Hannan to work with next season, but our blue line is short in RH shots. And especially heavy ones.
You can question his character with the previous incidents but I'll be judging by the recent example of seeing his impact when he got the ice time.

Pairing him with Smith as a 5/6 might not be too bad so long as we find Sarich the fountain of Youth.

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That's a fair point to be making about giving Brodie a Hannan to work with next season, but our blue line is short in RH shots. And especially heavy ones.
You can question his character with the previous incidents but I'll be judging by the recent example of seeing his impact when he got the ice time.

Pairing him with Smith as a 5/6 might not be too bad so long as we find Sarich the fountain of Youth.
RH shot or not Babchuk is a liability when he is not producing and IMO he has never produced enough to make it worth keeping him fr any reason. It's just not worth it and I don't think any team will trade for him at his crrent contract. Our only chance to get rid of him are either waive & demote him, or put him on re-entry waivers because at 1.25 million someone might take a chance.

And pairing Babchuk with Smith as a 5/6 pairing is a HUGE mistake because that forces Brodie into a top 4 role and while maybe someday he might be able to handle that, he is definitely not ready right now. Let's focus on getting Brodie a good bottom pairing guy to play with so he can work his way out of sheltered minutes before being thrown into the top 4. Prospects need to be put in a position to succeed and throwing Brodie in the top 4 right now is setting him up for failure.

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Babs isn't half as bad as some of you guys are making him out to be. Is he. D stud? Of course not. Is he as much of a liability as you guys are making him out to be? No, not at all.

I think the d-core needs a new look. It feels like a lot of bottom two guys playing as top fours. I believe Gio makes an amazing 3-4 guy, and really so does Butler (even though everyone hates on him so much, he's playing well for the Americans atm).

Babs is a guy who is bottom two, but a pp specialist. And should be used so.

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