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05-16-2012, 09:56 AM
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I can see the Oilers being interested in Anton Stralman.

What would be the asking price?

Perhaps Omark + a 3rd?

Sign him plus Bryan Allen to a 3 year deal and it could address some issues for us


Smid Whitney
Allen Petry
Schultz Stralman
No picks for Stralman. #5 d-man in NYR, give them Omark or Potter.

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For the record I'm against trading PRV unless it's something substantial coming back. I was against all the trade talk around Smid a year or two ago and I'm against trading PRV in the same fashion. PRV is going to develop into a nice player for the Oilers just like Smid has turned into a nice player as well.
I agree. PRV is a young kid with plenty of tools and a good attitude. Not all prospects develop in a straight line, he deserves some time. At worst, I see him as a very good third liner.

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05-16-2012, 10:50 AM
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I do not want to trade Marincin, Gernat or Klefa. I'd think about any of our other D prospects but I agree with Fourier.

Anyway I think the issue shouldn't be that we need another "top 4" d-man but simply that we need a PMD.
Do you think minny would do Schultz for Gilbert straight up?

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05-16-2012, 11:11 AM
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Isn't Girardi a righty?

McDonaugh, Del Zotto and Staal are your lefties. And I think the Martins are a few years away from competing for those positions.
Yes, thank you. I corrected the OP. (Haste makes waste.)
What I meant to say is I am on record for suggesting Girardi in trades; reason for this includes that at least the guys in the pipeline who are (McIrath) or are potential down the road legit prospects (Noreau, Ceresniak) are righties.

In fact, I specified Gerat + Marincin as counterparts to those guys (Noreau, Ceresniak) with the idea they'd compete 3 or 4 years from now.

With that in mind, do you have an offer?

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05-16-2012, 11:16 AM
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I can see the Oilers being interested in Anton Stralman.

What would be the asking price?

Perhaps Omark + a 3rd?

Sign him plus Bryan Allen to a 3 year deal and it could address some issues for us


Smid Whitney
Allen Petry
Schultz Stralman
Not looking at Omark, would like to get a good price on the 2 I mentioned, something you can live with, of course...

Picks are good.
We can keep this minimum, or you can look at Rangers + see if we have agreement.

Would also consider Tyler Pitlick.

Remember Stralman is 5 on Rangers, but is at least a 4 if not hire most other teams. Value must be commensurate.

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05-16-2012, 11:18 AM
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No picks for Stralman. #5 d-man in NYR, give them Omark or Potter.
Not enough.
Stralman is #5 in NY, would be higher elsewhere, at least a #4!

Picks can be in mix but am hoping to have small deal, maybe like 3 for 3 or close, getting the 2 prospects I targeted, with other assets for balance...

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05-16-2012, 11:19 AM
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I do not want to trade Marincin, Gernat or Klefa. I'd think about any of our other D prospects but I agree with Fourier.

Anyway I think the issue shouldn't be that we need another "top 4" d-man but simply that we need a PMD.
Fair enough, thanks for your vote.

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Not enough.
Stralman is #5 in NY, would be higher elsewhere, at least a #4!

Picks can be in mix but am hoping to have small deal, maybe like 3 for 3 or close, getting the 2 prospects I targeted, with other assets for balance...
If he was a top 4 he would've been signed before November

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05-16-2012, 11:25 AM
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I think the Oilers might have interest in Dubinsky simply because he's a big gritty versatile forward; something the Oilers don't have. They do have a bunch of D prospects with good upside that may be expendable. Obviously the Oilers would have to add to Marincin/Gernat to get Dubinsky but the Rangers might look to move him to create cap room as he hasn't exactly been a good year. This opens up a move for the Oilers to move Gagner for immediate defensive help.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Yakupov-Dubinsky-Hemsky
This is the kind of connect the dots thinking I appreciate... you trade for Dubi ... move Gagner! It's not the move, it's the process... a whole plan of multiple moves, not a single trade.

Yeah Dubi has not worn out his welcome by any means, we appreciate his grit, but we would move him at the right price.

Dubi + Stralman + X (possibly a lower pick)
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Gernat, Marincin, Pitlcik + Y (possibly a higher pick) ?

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05-16-2012, 11:26 AM
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If he was a top 4 he would've been signed before November
Disagree.
Run a breakdown on every team's D.

See how many have more than 4 guys ahead of Stralman!

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Disagree.
Run a breakdown on every team's D.

See how many have more than 4 guys ahead of Stralman!
He wouldn't even be a #4 on Edmonton who has poor d. He is a bottom pairing guy who gets some PP action.

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05-16-2012, 11:42 AM
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Oilers will make a play for Mike Green. Not sure they'll get him but they'll definitely pursue a trade.

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Stralman is a slightly better version of Corey Potter. Still not a top 4 defenceman.

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Do you think minny would do Schultz for Gilbert straight up?
Nope. Schultz is way more reliable than TG is. Petry is our new Gilbert but 10 times better.

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05-16-2012, 12:01 PM
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Oilers will make a play for Mike Green. Not sure they'll get him but they'll definitely pursue a trade.
That would indeed be Christmas day for me.

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05-16-2012, 12:04 PM
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This is something me and a couple of my buddies were talking about. San Jose seems to want a retooling of some sorts, so what do you guys think of a deal like this?

To EDM:
Logan Couture
Marc-Edouard Vlasic

To SJS:
1st Overall 2012 (Yakupov)
Sam Gagner
Linus Omark/3rd Round Pick

Gives us an amazing center combination, as well as gives us a true top-pairing two way defenseman. San Jose gets a player who can adequately replace Couture, and Yakupov + Thornton would be filthy.
San Jose trading Couture is like us trading Eberle. He is their best player and they won't trade him regardless of whats coming back the other way.

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05-16-2012, 12:26 PM
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Oilers will make a play for Mike Green. Not sure they'll get him but they'll definitely pursue a trade.
How about this blockbuster:

To Washington:
Nail Yakupov (RW for Ovechkin)
Sam Gagner

To Edmonton:
Mike Green
11th Overall in 2012 (Griffin Reinhart/Jacob Trouba/Cody Ceci)
16th Overall in 2012 (Zemgus Girgensons/Brendan Gaunce)

We get our top pairing defenceman, another potential top pairing defenceman and that big #2 center down the road. Washington capitals have a top like of Ovechkin-Backstrom-Yakupov :O while Edmonton has a defence consisting of Green, Reinhart, Whitney, Petry, Schultz and Smid.

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05-16-2012, 12:29 PM
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Oilers will make a play for Mike Green. Not sure they'll get him but they'll definitely pursue a trade.
I don't think Green compliments our defense very well. Our pp was actually very good last year, Green makes 5M bucks and is pretty poor defensively.

I'd pass on Green.

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I don't think Green compliments our defense very well. Our pp was actually very good last year, Green makes 5M bucks and is pretty poor defensively.

I'd pass on Green.
I'd keep Green* and try to move Whitney. He's a UFA after this season and I have a feeling he bolts. I see him going back to Pittsburgh or maybe even signing in Boston.

*If we had Green that is

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How about this blockbuster:

To Washington:
Nail Yakupov (RW for Ovechkin)
Sam Gagner

To Edmonton:
Mike Green
11th Overall in 2012 (Griffin Reinhart/Jacob Trouba/Cody Ceci)
16th Overall in 2012 (Zemgus Girgensons/Brendan Gaunce)

We get our top pairing defenceman, another potential top pairing defenceman and that big #2 center down the road. Washington capitals have a top like of Ovechkin-Backstrom-Yakupov :O while Edmonton has a defence consisting of Green, Reinhart, Whitney, Petry, Schultz and Smid.
I would like to take a shot at Green rediscovering his offensive game here with the young guys but not at the price of the 1st overall pick. Plus this trade would leave us very weak down the middle for the time being.

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How about this blockbuster:

To Washington:
Nail Yakupov (RW for Ovechkin)
Sam Gagner

To Edmonton:
Mike Green
11th Overall in 2012 (Griffin Reinhart/Jacob Trouba/Cody Ceci)
16th Overall in 2012 (Zemgus Girgensons/Brendan Gaunce)

We get our top pairing defenceman, another potential top pairing defenceman and that big #2 center down the road. Washington capitals have a top like of Ovechkin-Backstrom-Yakupov :O while Edmonton has a defence consisting of Green, Reinhart, Whitney, Petry, Schultz and Smid.
Not a Green fan. I don't dislike the idea of targeting the Caps though. I'd DEMAND Alzner, Orlov, Schultz or Carlson. I suspect Carlson and Alzner aren't going anywhere. I'm a HUGE Orlov fan though.

If the Caps aren't interested, fine.

The only exception would be if the Caps would take Horcoff in the deal instead of Gagner.

How about:

To EDM:
D. Orlov
11th overall (Ceci, Reinhart, Trouba, Maata)
16th overall (Faksa, Gaunce)

To Washington:
1st overall Yakupov

That's what I would consider a fair deal. The Oilers do not "need" to trade this pick. IMO, Orlov will have a better career than Ryan Murray.

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Not enough.
Stralman is #5 in NY, would be higher elsewhere, at least a #4!

Picks can be in mix but am hoping to have small deal, maybe like 3 for 3 or close, getting the 2 prospects I targeted, with other assets for balance...
Not interested in paying big for Stralman, i really doubt hes a top-4, and if he is its a 4 nothing higher.

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This is the kind of connect the dots thinking I appreciate... you trade for Dubi ... move Gagner! It's not the move, it's the process... a whole plan of multiple moves, not a single trade.

Yeah Dubi has not worn out his welcome by any means, we appreciate his grit, but we would move him at the right price.

Dubi + Stralman + X (possibly a lower pick)
for
Gernat, Marincin, Pitlcik + Y (possibly a higher pick) ?
I'm not really that high on Dubi...although others may be, is he a C? only way i'd be even a little interested.

Even if he does...hes still a 4.2M player who scores points in the 40's..


So im not interested in that at all.

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How about this blockbuster:

To Washington:
Nail Yakupov (RW for Ovechkin)
Sam Gagner

To Edmonton:
Mike Green
11th Overall in 2012 (Griffin Reinhart/Jacob Trouba/Cody Ceci)
16th Overall in 2012 (Zemgus Girgensons/Brendan Gaunce)

We get our top pairing defenceman, another potential top pairing defenceman and that big #2 center down the road. Washington capitals have a top like of Ovechkin-Backstrom-Yakupov :O while Edmonton has a defence consisting of Green, Reinhart, Whitney, Petry, Schultz and Smid.
Not all that interested in Green, for me it would have to be Carlson, MAYBE alzner, which i know they would balk at.

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I don't think Green compliments our defense very well. Our pp was actually very good last year, Green makes 5M bucks and is pretty poor defensively.

I'd pass on Green.
This for me as well.

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05-16-2012, 01:12 PM
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Not enough.
Stralman is #5 in NY, would be higher elsewhere, at least a #4!

Picks can be in mix but am hoping to have small deal, maybe like 3 for 3 or close, getting the 2 prospects I targeted, with other assets for balance...
He would be at best a #5 on the Oilers as well so I don't see the evidence that puts him higher on most other teams. (He is certainly not ahead of any of Smid, Petry, Whitney or Schultz).

Moreover, it may not be so far down the road that he is a #7. A decent FA and Klefbom, and voila.

Look at his history. He has been traded twice and signed by the Rangers after failing to win a spot on NJ. BBO is right, he is only a temporary upgrade on Potter. He was at one time a promising offensive defenceman but he will be 26 and outside of one decent year in Columbus he has never come close to reaching his promise.

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Not a Green fan. I don't dislike the idea of targeting the Caps though. I'd DEMAND Alzner, Orlov, Schultz or Carlson. I suspect Carlson and Alzner aren't going anywhere. I'm a HUGE Orlov fan though.

If the Caps aren't interested, fine.

The only exception would be if the Caps would take Horcoff in the deal instead of Gagner.

How about:

To EDM:
D. Orlov
11th overall (Ceci, Reinhart, Trouba, Maata)
16th overall (Faksa, Gaunce)

To Washington:
1st overall Yakupov


That's what I would consider a fair deal. The Oilers do not "need" to trade this pick. IMO, Orlov will have a better career than Ryan Murray.
He might have a better career, but this isn't close to enough value.

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I like the Green idea, but I have no interest in him being the big piece in a trade for the 1st.

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